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Started by carpediem, July 18, 2010, 06:32:58 PM

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angelo

kaya nagdududa na mga tao kung presidente ba or isang call center agent ang nakaupo sa malacanang...

carpediem

Nagpresscon. Nagbigay ng excuse. Nagsmile. Nagsorry. Nagpalusot.

carpediem

WTF is with Enrile and Chiz? Di daw kailangan mag apologize sa hostage fiasco.

angelo

Quote from: carpediem on August 26, 2010, 11:36:18 AM
WTF is with Enrile and Chiz? Di daw kailangan mag apologize sa hostage fiasco.

oh well. kung ako ang tatanungin, we should not apologize for what was done. Although, we do not have the same reasoning. (apparently, pareho sila ng sinasabi ni Isko Moreno. Lame and embarrassing.)

we are sorry for the loss of life and that is it. The joke on the SWAT (Sorry Wala Akong Training) says it all. As far as we are concerned (the Philippines), we did our very "best" given the limited training and equipment PNP has. Pathetic, right? But that is the longest we can stretch our resources as of the moment. Hence, we do not need to be sorry for the way it was "mishandled" and "mismanaged". Just my own thought...

judE_Law

lumilitaw na ang pagiging incompetent, di lang ng Pangulo kundi pati na rin ng kanyang mga alagad...


walang-wala talaga kay GMA...

carpediem

Quote from: angelo on August 26, 2010, 07:24:40 PM
Quote from: carpediem on August 26, 2010, 11:36:18 AM
WTF is with Enrile and Chiz? Di daw kailangan mag apologize sa hostage fiasco.

oh well. kung ako ang tatanungin, we should not apologize for what was done. Although, we do not have the same reasoning. (apparently, pareho sila ng sinasabi ni Isko Moreno. Lame and embarrassing.)

we are sorry for the loss of life and that is it. The joke on the SWAT (Sorry Wala Akong Training) says it all. As far as we are concerned (the Philippines), we did our very "best" given the limited training and equipment PNP has. Pathetic, right? But that is the longest we can stretch our resources as of the moment. Hence, we do not need to be sorry for the way it was "mishandled" and "mismanaged". Just my own thought...

That is one of the problems with us as a nation - no sense of responsibility. As a statesman, one should feel sorry for what has happened, and then just shut up, whether if it was your fault or not. Do not make any more excuses or blame others (just like what P-Noy did), or rationalize (just like Enrile or Chiz).

I think if this would happen in Japan, there would immediately be mass apologies from top officials. Heck they would probably even resign outright.

Going back to topic, even if the SWAT were untrained and severely unequipped, the fact was that there were too many missteps in the handling of the incident. There was more than enough time for them to prepare (11 hours!). The hostage-taker could have been neutralized early on.

And where were the officials? It was apparent that there were no clear orders from the top. Why didn't they order a media blackout? Why did they arrest his brother knowing that it would agitate him?

marvinofthefaintsmile

ang bobo ng mga pulis!
ang bobo ng presidente!
ang bobo ni mayor lim!
ang bobo ng mga tagaHongkong (tanggalan b ng work ang pinoy)
ang bobo ng security guard sa cybergate tower 1!
ang bobo talaga!!

anu kya nakain nila bat ganun cla kabobo? Cguro ang platong gngamit nila eh ung bobonic plate!

huff... huff.. (grabe kc ang kabobohan eh..)

judE_Law

#112
LETTER OF HONG KONG JOURNALISTS ASSOCIATION
Dear President Aquino,


The Hong Kong Journalists Association expresses its deepest condolences to the families of those who died in Manila's hostage tragedy. We also want to express our appreciation and respect to those who acted bravely and astutely during the long standoff, thus allowing some of the hostages to survive. We are, however, filled with anger and concern over the blame being heaped on the media for allegedly contributing to the tragedy.

The HKJA notes with concern that President Benigno Aquino of the Philippines made the media the scapegoat when he said: "Media coverage of his brother being taken into custody further agitated the hostage-taker..." Using this flimsy excuse, Mr. Aquino said he would consider imposing new restrictions on media coverage should a similar crisis occur.

We have no idea what further restrictions are under consideration but what we are sure of is that President Benigno Aquino's words were uttered hastily and without careful consideration. Without a thorough investigation such conclusions cannot be taken seriously and the HKJA views the president's hasty conclusions with grave misgivings.

The role of the media is to tell the world what is happening and what has happened. This is the essence of what the democratic world has come to know and to accept as freedom of the press and freedom of expression. The media's presence is vital to the preservation of human rights of minorities in any conflict. As in the case of Manila's killings, nobody can tell if the same tragedy would not have taken place without the presence of the media. What we can be sure of is that without the presence of the media no knowledge of this horrific tragedy would have been known to the outside world.

Moreover, the police force of the Philippines should have known that negotiations were going on between the gunman and his brother, and that this was being telecast. The act of arresting the brother would, clearly, irritate the gunman. Yet the police forcibly wrestled the brother down and handcuffed him, all directly in front of the media.

The police, clearly, had neither strategy nor the necessary know-how to deal with such a situation. With the development of the new media, it is unrealistic to ask the media not to broadcast live in a matter of huge public interest not only to the Filipinos themselves, but also to people in Hong Kong and elsewhere. Proper media arrangements, including a safe area for the media at the scene, in accordance with internationally accepted standards, are of paramount importance. None were forthcoming.

The Hong Kong Journalists Association calls on the Philippines government to refrain from using this incident to introduce harsh measures against the media in order to cover up their incompetence.
We will closely monitor the incident and any further deterioration of press freedom in Philippines arising from this tragedy.



With Kind Regards,
Hong Kong Journalists Association

26th August 2010

angelo

@carpediem - yes i agree. sabi nga sa iba, presidente ba or call center agent?

it really got out of hand. primary concern should have been the life of the hostages. i think i believe what rosales (chr right?) had to say during the correspondents interview, pnp could have given him a conditional approval for re instatement so he could just let go of the situation. -save the hostages and   take him into their custody for investigation. sounds easy right? did not have to take half a day to end in a bloodbath

pinoybrusko

it just shows yung low quality ng security ng bansa natin. Marami na siguro ang nagbabalak na sumakop sa bansa natin. it's an easy target anyways. walang kahirap hirap  ;D

angelo

true.. at least us is in our side kapag tuluyang magalit itong chinese.. or i hope so.. haha

pinoybrusko

mas gusto ko pang masakop tayo ng ibang bansa like US, UK, Japan, Russia, etc  ;D

joshgroban

ayoko naman pasakop... pinoy pa rin tayo  not the p-noy

pinoybrusko

Quote from: joshgroban on August 31, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
ayoko naman pasakop... pinoy pa rin tayo  not the p-noy


kahit naman masakop tayo pinoy pa din tayo. Mas may advantage pag sinakop tayo like ng UK. Pwede ka pumunta dun at i-enjoy without visa hehehe not the same situation when we are colonized by spain

joshgroban

hehe minsan naman di visa ang problem... ultimong pinas nga di natin malibot e dami kayang maganada dito sating bayan