What's your take on this?

[solomon]

May tanong sana ako. Pero ayoko maging graphic in description

[carpediem]

moral gymnastics

[pinoybrusko]

another question, if a man controls himself to have sex with the same sex because of what is written in the Scriptures that it is a sin then what makes of him if he doesn't have any attraction or love over the women. He married a woman just to portray a normal couple have, but deep inside he is lying to himself, right?.

What if he doesn't marry at all since he knows he is just lying to himself and to the woman he will marry. What makes of him? A bored single man who doesn't love anyone because he will commit a sin. strange isn't it, but its the fact of life.

[judE_Law]

another question, if a man controls himself to have sex with the same sex because of what is written in the Scriptures that it is a sin then what makes of him if he doesn't have any attraction or love over the women. He married a woman just to portray a normal couple have, but deep inside he is lying to himself, right?.

What if he doesn't marry at all since he knows he is just lying to himself and to the woman he will marry. What makes of him? A bored single man who doesn't love anyone because he will commit a sin. strange isn't it, but its the fact of life.

1 Corinthians 7

1Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry.a 2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

12To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

15But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

17Nevertheless, each one should retain the place in life that the Lord assigned to him and to which God has called him. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts. 20Each one should remain in the situation which he was in when God called him. 21Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 22For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave. 23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men. 24Brothers, each man, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation God called him to.

25Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; 30those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36If anyone thinks he is acting improperly toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if she is getting along in years and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.

39A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 40In my judgment, she is happier if she stays as she is—and I think that I too have the Spirit of God.

[pinoybrusko]

8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

27Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.quote]

yes, if you stay unmarried you avoid the sins but at the end you are not happy  . Just to kill the urge when you feel it, you just masturbate by yourself (as some says it is also a sin). You don't indulge into relationships since you only like relationships of the same sex since it is a sin, then if you enter into a relationship of the opposite sex, you are not happy and you're just lying to yourself and to her (it is a sin again). So, in short, people belonging to this should only chose to be priests since they can't marry and just devote their lives serving to the Lord. But, priesthood has a calling, its not given to everyone so ano pa ang options? nothing that I could think of. In any ways even in small ways, we can serve the Lord hinde lang ang maging pari.

I just thought na mahirap ang kalagayan ng belonging to third sex. They were outcasted in the society yet most of them are good and industrious at work, they are the laughingstock of co-workers, yet they don't do any harm. They try to live a normal life but other people would not let them. You will not understand this what I'm saying if you are not in our shoes.

[judE_Law]

8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

27Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does even better.quote]


yes, if you stay unmarried you avoid the sins but at the end you are not happy  . Just to kill the urge when you feel it, you just masturbate by yourself (as some says it is also a sin). You don't indulge into relationships since you only like relationships of the same sex since it is a sin, then if you enter into a relationship of the opposite sex, you are not happy and you're just lying to yourself and to her (it is a sin again). So, in short, people belonging to this should only chose to be priests since they can't marry and just devote their lives serving to the Lord. But, priesthood has a calling, its not given to everyone so ano pa ang options? nothing that I could think of. In any ways even in small ways, we can serve the Lord hinde lang ang maging pari.

I just thought na mahirap ang kalagayan ng belonging to third sex. They were outcasted in the society yet most of them are good and industrious at work, they are the laughingstock of co-workers, yet they don't do any harm. They try to live a normal life but other people would not let them. You will not understand this what I'm saying if you are not in our shoes.

hindi naman lahat ng tao, mababa ang tingin sa inyo.. naniniwala ako na makitid yung pag-iisip ng mga tao na ganyan kababaw ang tingin sa iba. pantay-pantay lahat tayo sa Diyos at pare-pareho tayo ng mga karapatan sa ating Batas..
yung mga pinost ko naman na sagot sa tanong mo eh yun naman ay may kinalaman sa relasyon mo sa Diyos at kung ano ang nakasaad sa Bibliya.
don't get me wrong ha.. am not telling you what to do.. nagpost lang ako ng sa tingin ko'y sagot sa ilang tanong mo.

[pinoybrusko]

eh dito lang sa PGG obvious na obvious na marami makikitid ang utak    what more in the more bigger outside society 

you posted verses in the Bible but it is not intended for gays and lesbians and there is no clear basis puro pahapyaw lang na words na binanggit sa mga passages.

[carpediem]

That is the problem. The Bible does not have all the answers to your questions. And even if it seems to provide an answer, you do not know if it should be taken literally or symbolically/metaphorically.

C'mon guys. Do you believe in *every* *single* *word* your priests tell you or how they interpret the verses from the holy book?

Just try to answer the question of the thread-starter in a straightforward manner. Is being gay a sin? You can't.

(Most of) You would probably want to say "no it is not a sin", because you are already more educated and become more open-minded to accept people as they are, than the people 2000 years ago who wrote the Bible. You know that the times already changed, and so have our culture and our perception of the world around us. But those verses clearly say it is a sin. So what do you do? You try to pick other verses that might damp down the severity of the original verses. You try to interpret the verses yourself, even if other people (like your priests) do not agree with you (e.g. RH Bill, masturbation, pre-marital sex, divorce, etc etc etc). You try to put yourself in God's shoes, try to think if you are Him, and consider the issue, and say that since you are infinitely good, you will do such and such. In short, moral gymnastics/acrobatics.

[judE_Law]

eh dito lang sa PGG obvious na obvious na marami makikitid ang utak    what more in the more bigger outside society 

you posted verses in the Bible but it is not intended for gays and lesbians and there is no clear basis puro pahapyaw lang na words na binanggit sa mga passages.

here we go again.. throwing accusations...
from my previous post.. i hope nabasa niyo itong part na ito.

But the extent to which Paul or the other human authors of the bible were familiar with various cultural manifestations of homosexuality is, in the end, irrelevant. What they write is clear and unambiguous. There is no distinction in scripture between "life-long loving unions" and abusive one-night stands. Homosexual behavior is condemned without regard to relational context or cultural setting. The physical act itself and the impulse that leads up to it is unequivocally condemned. Any attempt, therefore, to distinguish between types of homosexual relationships and argue that sex acts between two people of the same sex is good in one context and sinful in another is grounded in a fundamental misreading of the text which makes no such distinctions.

A hallmark of good reading (not just the bible but any book) is not to read into a text something that is not there. Good readers ground their interpretations in what the author himself has communicated. Those who seek to limit the biblical injunctions against homosexual behavior to pederasty, prostitution, and/or promiscuity impose a narrowness text that simply is not there.

So far we have seen that not all inborn desires and impulses are good and we have seen that scripture defines the homosexual impulse in particular as one that is linked to our fallen nature. It is not a good thing to be blessed but an enslavement that must be forgiven and healed.

[carpediem]

Simple lang daw yung PB. Being gay is evil. Period.

Irrelevant daw kung well informed na mga authors ng Bible dati, kasi God's words are absolute. And you know, they couldn't be misinformed, could they? Of course not. They were the people chosen by God to author the Bible.

And oh, women were objects of society in their times, and slavery was perfectly ok.

[joshgroban]

The word "gay" means merry, exuberant, bright, lively. More recently it has been adopted by homosexuals. In its original use it did not have this double meaning. The clever adaptation of the word "gay" by homosexuals has robbed it of its pure meaning, thereby corrupting a once perfectly good word. I never use the word "gay" when referring to homosexuals. There are many bright, exuberant, merry people in this world who are not sexual perverts.....lets not abused this word...lets have peace...

[judE_Law]

hohum...
i am not disseminating hate speech here...
may i remind everyone that the content of my posts have been theological in nature and really not intended for anyone... not of the Christian/Catholic faith or interested in homosexuality and the Church.
I'm very sorry if you PB and Carpediem encountered anything but loving concern from anyone from my Church. Just because your personal beliefs do not coincide with what is written in the Bible, should not be cause for you to oppose them. I hope you can leave them be in peace.
The Church, Christians, does not condemn GLBT and works to "accept with respect, compassion, and sensitivity" all homosexuals. "Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition."

[carpediem]

@joshgroban: oh josh, i'm just using the modern meaning of gay. the bible verses do mean homosexuality.

@jude: oh jude, i'm not offended. really. no sarcasm here. promise. after all, Christian theology is not intended for everyone (not everyone is destined to be saved). i know i'll go to hell. hohum.

now, i'm not offending anyone either. i'm just stating facts. that's how the Bible says it. quote mo nga e, "What they write is clear and unambiguous."

[pinoybrusko]

So far we have seen that not all inborn desires and impulses are good and we have seen that scripture defines the homosexual impulse in particular as one that is linked to our fallen nature. It is not a good thing to be blessed but an enslavement that must be forgiven and healed.

eto ang conflict dito eh sabi kailangan i-heal. Sa ilang taon na nadiscover ko ito in early years, I prayed so hard that this feeling would be removed from me but its not. Sa tagal ng panahon, I don't like to have a sad life kasi life is given to us to enjoy it, right? For me, Hinde ito sakit na pwede pagalingin, it can be controlled by you na maging bato ka na lang para hinde ka magkasala 

[judE_Law]

@Carpediem your not stating facts... your actually trying to discredit the Bible by telling PB that being gay is being evil. I cannot argue that it is evil but I can argue, without the Bible, that homosexuality is unnatural based upon human anatomy. If you look at the sexual reproductive organs of a male and a female it is apparent that the two go together. Though some would argue that the organs are not just for reproduction but also for pleasure and I would agree with this BUT as far as human reproduction is concerned the only rational and natural relationship that can occur is one that is heterosexual.