RH Bill. Yes or No?

[joshgroban]

When I see our charity patients, talagang napapaisip ako na dapat may RH bill na na-aprub...

paano pa kaya sa charity patients namin...

oo nga. pero yung charity sa amin, most of them talagang pang-charity naman talaga. hehe. although meron din talaga ibang wa-is na nagpapacharity kahit may kaya naman. :-)

one hundred years ago poroblema na rin daw ang over population... di kaya nasa deterioration ng tao ang problema ... mas lalong sumasama ang tao

[ctan]

When I see our charity patients, talagang napapaisip ako na dapat may RH bill na na-aprub...

paano pa kaya sa charity patients namin...

oo nga. pero yung charity sa amin, most of them talagang pang-charity naman talaga. hehe. although meron din talaga ibang wa-is na nagpapacharity kahit may kaya naman. :-)

one hundred years ago poroblema na rin daw ang over population... di kaya nasa deterioration ng tao ang problema ... mas lalong sumasama ang tao

when evil entered the world, masama na talaga bro. consequence na rin ang paghihirap sa kasamaan ng tao. ang overpopulation, hindi lang kahirapang financial ang dulot, mahirap na rin ang congestion.

healthwise, the more congested a place, the easier is a communicable disease transmitted. that 's just one among a long list of problems of overpopulation.

[joshgroban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrMimagine as the size of texas people all over the world can live there with a yard and kids

[carpediem]

^ His claim that the whole population of the earth can live in a land mass the size of Texas needs data. He should show the computation.

Granted, why humanity still managed to sustain itself despite the explosive growth of population through the years is because of the scientific and technological advancements. If innovation had stopped, humanity would have had to resort to wars in order to put the population in check, and to curb overconsumption of resources. If not, nature would do the necessary thing (e.g. famine, drought, epidemic, etc.).

Why the world population have decreased today is because of the concerted efforts of governments and organizations to control the population and raise awareness. For example the one-child policy of China, the low or negative birth rates of Japan, Singapore, etc.

Here in the Philippines, this is not the case. It's okay if people have enough food, are given proper health care, education, and jobs. Do we even have people that are productive, that can innovate, and contribute to science and technology that could help sustain ourselves?

[ctan]

Aside from carpediem's thoughts, I'd like to add that what the problem of overpopulation is concerned about is the availability of "live-able" land that all human beings share...

[judE_Law]

When I see our charity patients, talagang napapaisip ako na dapat may RH bill na na-aprub...

when i see charity patients... i see the big difference between rich and poor...

[ctan]

When I see our charity patients, talagang napapaisip ako na dapat may RH bill na na-aprub...

when i see charity patients... i see the big difference between rich and poor...

isa rin yan sa consequence ng overpopulation eh... however, i could not deny that this is a sad fact. we all want something that would benefit all. egalitarianism comes into mind when we don't want social stratification to happen. but practically, it's not beneficial to all too.

[carpediem]

I think many of those that are anti-RH are just derailing the discussion with technicalities.

http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011/01/18/read-em-and-weep-statements-made-at-the-faces-of-the-rh-bill-forum/

[carpediem]

wow.. i just read the article. I don't know where the information from the anti RH bill people are getting pero grabe yung sweeping statements. Its disheartening to see a doctor making such statements.

I know right? Sana naman kung magdedebate sila magpresent naman sila ng facts, and stop spreading lies that deceive the public. Sadly, the uneducated masses are susceptible to deception because the lies are usually sensational.

[joshgroban]

my  stand remains...rh bill is not the answer sa sinasabing over population....or poverty.... as long as may mga greedy na tao at  kurakot...the problem still remains...befrore 20 yrs ago ilan ang anak ng mga ninuno natin lahat halos lumalagpas sa 5.... ahere are they today... di naman sila naghirap... nagingmas responsable  silang mamamayan.... nasa mind set pa rin yan...

[carpediem]

^ Wow, kailangan talaga i-mention pa yung EDSA I. I can't help but feel that it is a hint that they are threatening the government with civil disobedience should the RH Bill be passed. Well, karma na rin siguro for PNoy, kasi nagthreaten din siya dati during the elections.

[carpediem]

RH Bill in danger: CBCP attacks, Malacanang retreats

Retarded president doesn't have the balls.

Nakakainis talaga. 

So ganun na ba tayo, if we don't like something, just threaten civil disobedience and hit the streets? Para saan pa ang Constitution? Ano silbi ng government?

Ironically, eto yung sinabi ni Cardinal Rosales nung nagthreaten si PNoy ng sarili niyang civil disobedience before the elections:

"No. For heaven's sake, there is the Constitution. All these are covered by provisions of the Constitution. If there are complaints, credible, you go to the Comelec, you go (to) Congress, because you still have that," he said.

Rosales lamented that Filipinos were always in a hurry, which was why, he said, they had failed to develop into a better people and tended to call for people power easily.

"We are always in a hurry," he said. "We forget to grow in citizenship and to develop a real credible nation. To reach a stage where we mature as a nation and also [as a] people will take time."

[carpediem]

A Woman's Letter to the Bishops:
Risa Hontiveros' response to the Pastoral Letter of the CBCP on the Reproductive Health Bill


13 February 2011


Dear Bishop Nereo P. Odchimar,

Peace!

I will not respond to all the points raised in the Pastoral Letter of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines which you sent us, your Filipino brothers and sisters, last 30 January. Most of them are old points that have been raised and clarified repeatedly in so many debates and too few dialogues in the past decade, though it drives me almost to tears that it seems the good Bishops have not been listening intently or understanding with empathy.

I would like to respond to just two points.

In the section, Moral Choices at the Crossroads – at EDSA I and Now, you wrote that "Twenty five years ago in 1986 we Catholic Bishops made a prophetic and moral judgement on political leadership.... Today we come to a new national crossroads and we now have to make a similar moral choice."

As one of the young people then who went in our multitudes to EDSA when Minister Enrile and General Ramos admitted that Marcos had stolen the election from Cory Aquino and when Cardinal Sin rallied us to protect them from Marcos's forces, I will always remember how our hearts were made even braver and our feet swifter by the CBCP's Pastoral Letter. Then, you were with us in pulling down the pillars of dictatorship, you were with us in advancing democracy.

But your Pastoral Letter of last month cannot be placed on the same plane because it is not of the same prophetic and moral fiber. By misrepresenting the Reproductive Health bill as promotive of abortion and of adolescent promiscuity – with all due respect - you have not only been intellectually dishonest and ignored the good faith of RH advocates, but also failed to proclaim the life-saving and values-formation character of this public health measure, which many of us in your own flock, in conscience, desire to be passed into law. In 1986, you were advancing democracy; now, you are impeding democracy.

In the section, What We Specifically Object to in the RH Bill, you wrote that "Advocates also assert that the RH Bill empowers women with ownership of their own bodies... without the dictation of any religion."

We do not own our bodies, but our spirits inhabit them, therefore they are our kingdom, and just as we struggle for the self-determination of Inangbayan and the sustainability of Inang Kalikasan, by the same feminine principle, we freely, in an informed manner, responsibly and joyfully, decide about our bodies. No one else can or should do that for us.

Whatever gave you the idea that we decide about our bodies or anything else in life without anchoring in our deepest inspirations, whether faith or humanism or the sheer sense of being a woman? I kneel only to God, sometimes with the princes of my church, but always from the innermost voice of conscience which I strive humbly to discern in silence or in the marketplace.

As a Conference of men located outside women's experience, good Bishop, could you not show a little more respect for us?

We choose life, we embrace its every cycle, from birth and girlhood to the childbearing years to menopause or climacterium and then death. We want each and every sister to have a chance at that fullness of life. It is a shame that we do not have the Bishops marching beside us this time around. But, without you or even against you, we will win this new revolution, too.

Respectfully yours,

(sgd.) Risa Hontiveros
Spokesperson, Akbayan Party

[joshgroban]

mukhang malayo ang mararting ng hidwaang ito... kawawa lang ang mahihirap dito na patuloy na naghihirap hindi dahil sa anak kundi sa kawalan ng tamang kaisipan .... whether  we have condoms or not poverty will always be there....

[ctan]

I really admire Risa Hontiveros. Number one siya sa senators list na binoto ko.