there jude, i posted a topic na rin here ;)
im generally honest 'to goodness'..
pero certain situations require precautionary measures, such as ehem, LYING.
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on July 15, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Masyadong vague yung meaning ng honest to goodness.
you need to define that.
honest to goodness, yung aamin ka sa bawat pagkakamali na nagagawa mo
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on July 15, 2010, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: solomon on July 15, 2010, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on July 15, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Masyadong vague yung meaning ng honest to goodness.
you need to define that.
honest to goodness, yung aamin ka sa bawat pagkakamali na nagagawa mo
no. i don't claim to my mistakes if i can get away with it.
I'm a good liar.
hindi ba mahirap yung iisipin mo pa kung anong excuse ang dapat mong sabihin para lang makapagsinungaling? parang nakakakonsensya pa.
di tulad kapag umaamin ka, maluwag sa dibdib at tinatanggap mo sa sarili mong ngkamali ka
haha ako poor liar... huli agad... lalo na pag nagulat o nahuli ... but in a a way im trying to be good... keep on trying
as much as possible, i try to be. but there are instances that, more than trying to protect yourself, you lie to protect the people you love.
Quote from: joshgroban on July 16, 2010, 12:34:24 AM
haha ako poor liar... huli agad... lalo na pag nagulat o nahuli ... but in a a way im trying to be good... keep on trying
yun ang sagot ;D kaso yung "trying to be good" na yan dapat ma-put into practice eventualy ;)
Quote from: incognito on July 16, 2010, 12:38:16 AM
as much as possible, i try to be. but there are instances that, more than trying to protect yourself, you lie to protect the people you love.
"lying for the loveones" yan ang kadalasan nating binibigay na dahilan e para masabing mabuti na din ang pag-lie natin. pano naman yung ikaw lang mismo, walang damay na ibang tao?
alam mo solomon, kung ako lang, kung walang ibang masasaktan na ibang tao maliban sakin, umaamin ako. tell me solomon, meron ka namang maling nagawa? parang wala kang bahid. or at least that's what you are trying to project here.
basta ang rule kung sinong walang kasalanan sya unang bumato... but the point is lahat tayo makasalanan.. so were all under Gods mercy...peace...lol
Quote from: incognito on July 16, 2010, 12:56:24 AM
alam mo solomon, kung ako lang, kung walang ibang masasaktan na ibang tao maliban sakin, umaamin ako. tell me solomon, meron ka namang maling nagawa? parang wala kang bahid. or at least that's what you are trying to project here.
im not playing clean. lahat tayo commit mistakes
ok bro solomon.
yes most of the time
Something that is "right" may not necessarily be "good".
Something that is "wrong" may not necessarily be "evil" or "bad".
The reverse are also true.
Something that is "good" may be not "right".
Something that is "evil" or "bad" may be not "wrong".
Lying may be "wrong" but it is not always "bad".
Lying may be considered "bad" by some, but it may be the "right" solution at times.
Quote from: carpediem on July 16, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Something that is "right" may not necessarily be "good".
Something that is "wrong" may not necessarily be "evil" or "bad".
The reverse are also true.
Something that is "good" may be not "right".
Something that is "evil" or "bad" may be not "wrong".
Lying may be "wrong" but it is not always "bad".
Lying may be considered "bad" by some, but it may be the "right" solution at times.
i love this!
Quote from: judE_Law on July 16, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 16, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Something that is "right" may not necessarily be "good".
Something that is "wrong" may not necessarily be "evil" or "bad".
The reverse are also true.
Something that is "good" may be not "right".
Something that is "evil" or "bad" may be not "wrong".
Lying may be "wrong" but it is not always "bad".
Lying may be considered "bad" by some, but it may be the "right" solution at times.
i love this!
aprub!? ;D
napanood ko ito ... controversial ang theme ... di ko inaadvise sa mahina ang faith
Quote from: fox69 on July 17, 2010, 05:03:52 AM
WOW! and i thought im already done with my THEOLOGY classes ;D...but im glad brother solomon is here to help us grow spiritually..my only hope is that brother solomon will not force all members to think like him because if that will happen, i will be forced to give each member an ORIGINAL DVD copy of my favorite Christian movie : THE LAST TEMPTATION of CHRIST ;D
ayoko ng pilitan, wala kong pinipilit.. i want only u guys to reflect
i heard about that movie and given the chance to have a copy i will watch it
wow! si fox namimigay ng dvd. :-)
regarding the question, as much as possible i remain to be honest. :-)
Quote from: fox69 on July 18, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
^^^cool! pm me your complete address and i will send you a DVD copy of this movie ;D
are you serious?
I agree to this statement. There's one time na merong nangholdap sakin and I lied na taga-dun aq so they won't hurt me thinking na madameng mkakakilala sakn dun..
at the end, walang nkuha skn ang mga holdaper..
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on July 15, 2010, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: solomon on July 15, 2010, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on July 15, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Masyadong vague yung meaning ng honest to goodness.
you need to define that.
honest to goodness, yung aamin ka sa bawat pagkakamali na nagagawa mo
no. i don't claim to my mistakes if i can get away with it.
I'm a good liar.
same, especially if this does not pose a big concern.
^ mahirap lang baka makasanayan at maging sinungaling always ;D still, its better to be honest most of the time :D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 20, 2010, 11:52:23 AM
^ mahirap lang baka makasanayan at maging sinungaling always ;D still, its better to be honest most of the time :D
nice ;)
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 20, 2010, 11:52:23 AM
^ mahirap lang baka makasanayan at maging sinungaling always ;D still, its better to be honest most of the time :D
yan naman ang gusto ko kay Brusko!
pano kung sa pagiging honest mo ay masasaktan ang mahal mo ... di ba mas mabuting magsinungaling muna
Quote from: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 10:33:56 AM
pano kung sa pagiging honest mo ay masasaktan ang mahal mo ... di ba mas mabuting magsinungaling muna
yes, we call it white lies. depende sa sitwasyon iyan pero wag sana makasanayan ang pagsisinungaling. I have a friend out 10 statements only 1 is true ;D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 10:33:56 AM
pano kung sa pagiging honest mo ay masasaktan ang mahal mo ... di ba mas mabuting magsinungaling muna
yes, we call it white lies. depende sa sitwasyon iyan pero wag sana makasanayan ang pagsisinungaling. I have a friend out 10 statements only 1 is true ;D
sobra naman yun... isa lang sa sampung sinabi niya ang totoo? baka naman nagwo-work yan sa isang credit card company o lending investor? lol!
siguro, di baleng masaktan yung taong mahal mo.. kung kailangan sabihin mo yung totoo diba, lalo na kung involve siya dun..
hindi pa rin dapat sabihin... may napanood akong movie gusto nya sabihin lahat sa mapapangasawa lahat lahat.. no secrets... e bi nlow nya yung aso na pet nya... nag iisip sya kung sasabihin nya hahaha... riot nung sinabi nya hahaha
Quote from: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 10:33:56 AM
pano kung sa pagiging honest mo ay masasaktan ang mahal mo ... di ba mas mabuting magsinungaling muna
sabi mo nga "muna", naisip mo ba kung ano pwedeng maging bunga nito later on? baka mas malala pa..
^^^for me, ang mga "white lies" gaya ng pagsisinungaling pra sa mahal mo ay mga temporary refuge lang. balang araw, the truth will surface and it will come back to haunt you. pero di nmn ako nagssabi na masama ito, dahil kahit sa temporary refuge na ibinigay, marami na magagawa na productive/beneficial. pero sa bandang huli, i coconfront nyo pa rin dapat ang katotohanan.
+1
there are really occasions wherein it's unavoidable
Quote from: fox69 on February 21, 2011, 12:34:32 PM
^^^ i like the phrase "temporary refuge" :P
Quote from: Luc on February 20, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
^^^for me, ang mga "white lies" gaya ng pagsisinungaling pra sa mahal mo ay mga temporary refuge lang. balang araw, the truth will surface and it will come back to haunt you. pero di nmn ako nagssabi na masama ito, dahil kahit sa temporary refuge na ibinigay, marami na magagawa na productive/beneficial. pero sa bandang huli, i coconfront nyo pa rin dapat ang katotohanan.
hmmm... so naniniwala ka rin na may lesser evil?
Quote from: judE_Law on February 21, 2011, 02:32:52 PM
hmmm... so naniniwala ka rin na may lesser evil?
of course! there will come a time when you are faced with 2 decisions that are both undesirable. choosing the lesser evil is better than running away. =)
^ Like!
Quote from: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 10:33:56 AM
pano kung sa pagiging honest mo ay masasaktan ang mahal mo ... di ba mas mabuting magsinungaling muna
opo. maaring hindi mo na rin aminin ang totoo. basta pareho rin kayong masaya.
white lies is still a lie..
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on February 26, 2011, 12:48:53 AM
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on February 26, 2011, 12:42:30 AM
white lies is still a lie..
But God lies because He is God who is capable of doing anything
No, God cannot and does not lie.
there is no lesser evil. an evil doing in any form is still an evil.
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?Numbers 23:19
^ hmm. so you do not believe on the concept of lesser evil?
QuoteGod cannot and does not lie.
God does not lie -- Ok, since lying is said to be evil/bad, and God is all-good.
God cannot lie -- Hmmm. God is all-powerful right? That means he can lie.
Yes, God is powerful and omnipotent. He can lie but he did not do it because He is the best example of a perfect man. He can save and punish the people in an instant but decided to sent His son, Jesus to us to save us from all our sins. He created us with LOVE - His masterpiece of his creation. So why will he lie if he can?
^^na-da-le mo boi!
Quote from: judE_Law on February 27, 2011, 11:09:44 PM
there is no lesser evil. an evil doing in any form is still an evil.
Ah yes, there is no argument that the nature of a deed we deem as
lesser evil is, in fact and frankly, evil. Strictly philosophical, the term lesser evil cannot stand alone (hence the comparative suffix); and thus, cannot be used to judge a certain action prematurely. However, human has learned to adapt to the term when they are faced with (at least) two actions that are evil in nature, and wherein one yields the least harm.
There is also a completely thorough explanation for this in health ethics.
God does not not lie simply because He IS God.
Simple. Nothing complicated. :-)
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on February 28, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
Quote from: ctan on February 28, 2011, 06:46:04 PM
God does not not lie simply because He IS God.
Simple. Nothing complicated. :-)
How can you categorically say that?
Have you been born before time and have witnessed all of His actions?
To claim that you have Fully known God and categorically place Him and restrict Him to a certain boundary is definitely not God.
My answer is simple again. I read my Bible, the only genuine book about God. (If you don't believe in the Bible, the argument ends here.)
Let me quote a verse from the Bible,
"not that I have already attained perfection, I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus." Translating it to
layman's term, my goal is to fully know Christ, and that is only achieved through perfection, which cannot be attained in this lifetime. Yet, how do I come to know God in this lifetime? Only through the Bible - studying it, reading it, and meditating on it.
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on February 28, 2011, 06:53:11 PM
God is omnipotent so he's capable of doing anything and beyond it.
If you tell me that God is only Good and incapable of Evil, then He's not God. To limit God to a Human perception that God is only Good is to restrict God to a certain parameter. God encompasses everything so He's both Good and Evil and Beyond it.
The Bible describes God to be Good but it does not say that God is incapable of doing Evil.
To illustrate, God punishes the Egyptians using plagues.
If you say that God is only capable of Good then the ACT of punishment is good?
God nearly destroys the whole earth with a flood. So therefore death and destruction is always good?
God places favoritism on the Israelites to bear His son, so therefore favoritism is GOOD?
To tell me that God cannot lie and does not lie means He's INCAPABLE and cannot be beyond Lying, therefore He is not omnipotent and consequently not God. But God is capable of doing anything, therefore He is able capable of lying as well as telling the truth and doing something beyond lying and telling the truth. As to what He has lied to, to whom and what topic we do not know. All we know is that He's there and may or may not choose to do anything.
It's also understanding the words from the Bible:
Isaiah 6:3 "
Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty"
- and what is holiness? It is simply being set apart for doing good.
I John 4:8 "God is
Love"
I Corinthians 13:6 "Love
does not delight in evil"
- how then can God do evil? :-)
As I say, it's as simple as that. No need to complicate things. I only rely on what the Bible says about God, because (I reiterate), it's the only genuine book about God Himself. :-)
By the way, I agree, 100%, that we cannot put God in a box. :-D I hope we all get the message. :-D
I end my arguments here for now. I'll get to know my God more. :-D
But..
God punishing the Egyptians is also from the Bible.
God nearly destroying the whole earth is also from the Bible.
God placing favoritism on the Israelites is also from the Bible.
I do not agree that Kilo is making it complicated. The Bible itself is complicated. And attributing omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence to a divine being is contradictory in itself.
All these just point towards The Problem of Evil, put simply by this quote:
"Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?"
I am replying with the clause that my God is not an evil God. He does not lie. And if other gods do lie, then I guess their God is not the same as mine. But one thing I'm sure though, my God is real. :-)
Quote from: ctan on February 28, 2011, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on February 28, 2011, 06:53:11 PM
God is omnipotent so he's capable of doing anything and beyond it.
If you tell me that God is only Good and incapable of Evil, then He's not God. To limit God to a Human perception that God is only Good is to restrict God to a certain parameter. God encompasses everything so He's both Good and Evil and Beyond it.
The Bible describes God to be Good but it does not say that God is incapable of doing Evil.
To illustrate, God punishes the Egyptians using plagues.
If you say that God is only capable of Good then the ACT of punishment is good?
God nearly destroys the whole earth with a flood. So therefore death and destruction is always good?
God places favoritism on the Israelites to bear His son, so therefore favoritism is GOOD?
To tell me that God cannot lie and does not lie means He's INCAPABLE and cannot be beyond Lying, therefore He is not omnipotent and consequently not God. But God is capable of doing anything, therefore He is able capable of lying as well as telling the truth and doing something beyond lying and telling the truth. As to what He has lied to, to whom and what topic we do not know. All we know is that He's there and may or may not choose to do anything.
It's also understanding the words from the Bible:
Isaiah 6:3 "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty"
- and what is holiness? It is simply being set apart for doing good.
I John 4:8 "God is Love"
I Corinthians 13:6 "Love does not delight in evil"
- how then can God do evil? :-)
As I say, it's as simple as that. No need to complicate things. I only rely on what the Bible says about God, because (I reiterate), it's the only genuine book about God Himself. :-)
nasagot mo na doc.. kung hindi nila maiintindihan.. hindi ko na alam kung anong diyos meron sila.
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on February 28, 2011, 06:53:11 PM
God is omnipotent so he's capable of doing anything and beyond it.
If you tell me that God is only Good and incapable of Evil, then He's not God. To limit God to a Human perception that God is only Good is to restrict God to a certain parameter. God encompasses everything so He's both Good and Evil and Beyond it.
The Bible describes God to be Good but it does not say that God is incapable of doing Evil.
To illustrate, God punishes the Egyptians using plagues.
If you say that God is only capable of Good then the ACT of punishment is good?
God nearly destroys the whole earth with a flood. So therefore death and destruction is always good?
God places favoritism on the Israelites to bear His son, so therefore favoritism is GOOD?
To tell me that God cannot lie and does not lie means He's INCAPABLE and cannot be beyond Lying, therefore He is not omnipotent and consequently not God. But God is capable of doing anything, therefore He is able capable of lying as well as telling the truth and doing something beyond lying and telling the truth. As to what He has lied to, to whom and what topic we do not know. All we know is that He's there and may or may not choose to do anything.
these are the questions that came to me before also, its not that I ignore it but it came to my realization that since He's our God, an all-knowing God, we could not perceive what is on His mind and heart. We only perceive the things that human can reach. Wala pa tayo sa kalingkingan ng talino niya para mapantayan ang perception niya. We are not in His level though we are created in his image and likeness. As I said, the masterpiece of his creation. Tao lang tayo at siya ay Diyos. Kung walang Diyos, how the world and its people are created. How the oceans and seas exist and other beautiful things not made by man or by time or by evolution. It's because totoong may Diyos.
With regards to His punishments, plagues and floods mentioned in the Bible, we may perceive only what we can reach as a human being. We can say He do it to punish sinners like during the Great Flood, Egypt, etc. we will be punish when our time comes or when we die. Its either we will go to Hell or Heaven. We can't tell straight that He is evil already because punishments are evil that they are acts of evil. To human intelligence, laws, policies and knowledge it is evil. The act of it is evil.
I'll leave some words I believe. It is in the Bible but I'm not good in verses sorry.
To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did.
The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you.
When God takes something from your grasp. He's not punishing you, but merely opening your hands to receive something better.
Ang masasabi ko lang ay eto:
Kung gusto nyo talagang malaman ang sagot sa mga tanong na yan, you better read the bible for you to find out the real reason why God do those things. :D
not only Mormons but also Islam - if you are not a Muslim then you are not saved
^pati Iglesia ni Cristo sa pagkaka-alam ko ganito rin paniwala.
Sa amin naman, mga born again christians, salvation does not rely on what church you belong to. Kumbaga, religion has no part in one's salvation. What would matter to us is the genuine relationship that one has with Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. :-)
Quote from: ctan on March 04, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
Sa amin naman, mga born again christians, salvation does not rely on what church you belong to. Kumbaga, religion has no part in one's salvation. What would matter to us is the genuine relationship that one has with Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. :-)
tama. ganyan din ang laging tinuturo ng katabi kong officemate na born again din. leave everything to the Savior.
sa aming Catholic ang alam ko, kailangan in harmony ang religion at yung personal na pananalig at relasyon mo sa Diyos.
hindi lang ang religion ang magliligtas sayo at hindi rin ang sarli lang.
kailangan silang dalawa ang magiging daan para sayong kaligtasan.
natututo ka sa relihiyon mo at isinsabuhay mo ang mga natututunan mo..
hindi talaga dapat pinagtatalunan kung anong relihiyon ang maliligtas at kung alin ang nasa matuwid na daan, wala naman kasing relihiyon na naghahangad ng kasamaan.. dapat lang alamin mo bilang indibidwal kung saang relihiyon mas nagro-grow ang pananampalataya mo sa Diyos.
The same lang the way I see it.
In Islam, if you are not a Muslim, you are not saved.
In Christianity, if you do not accept Jesus as savior, that is, if you are not a Christian, you are not saved.
Am I incorrect?
Quote from: carpediem on March 04, 2011, 11:00:36 PM
The same lang the way I see it.
In Islam, if you are not a Muslim, you are not saved.
In Christianity, if you do not accept Jesus as savior, that is, if you are not a Christian, you are not saved.
Am I incorrect?
your right.
the problem lang with Christianity kasi iba-iba interpretaion sa bible.. kaya nagiging argument yung kung anong religion ang maliligtas..
pero isipin mo rin sa INC hindi sila naniniwala kay Jesus Christ bilang Diyos, isa lamang daw siyang tao.. which is taliwas din sa paniniwala ng karamihan sa Christianity.
What is "goodness"? When is something considered good, and what makes it good?
kapag ikaw nakikinabang?
hindi ba kapag tinuring mong gamitan ang mundo, kapag ikaw ang nagpapalugi, goodness na yun.
hmm. so goodness is relative? morality is relative?
Quote from: carpediem on March 07, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
hmm. so goodness is relative? morality is relative?
oo naman.. hindi ba?
Quote from: carpediem on March 04, 2011, 11:00:36 PM
The same lang the way I see it.
In Islam, if you are not a Muslim, you are not saved.
In Christianity, if you do not accept Jesus as savior, that is, if you are not a Christian, you are not saved.
Am I incorrect?
nope tama ka hehehe
Quote from: carpediem on March 06, 2011, 12:42:24 AM
What is "goodness"? When is something considered good, and what makes it good?
depende sa situation and intention. the word is relative ;D
Hmm... if morality is relative, then I could do all the bad/evil things that I want and no one should interfere because after all, it is relative.
To say that it's relative could be another definition of "goodness". One that is personal, and possibly selfish.
I'd like to think that "goodness" comes from its roots in society where ethics apply. Actions that fall in the spectrum of beneficence and non-maleficence.
Quote from: carpediem on March 12, 2011, 12:35:23 AM
Hmm... if morality is relative, then I could do all the bad/evil things that I want and no one should interfere because after all, it is relative.
totoo.. you can kill a person because you think it is good - like saving a another life or to that effect but to the family of the supposed "victim" isang masamang gawain iyon at pinatay mo yung beloved nila..
yes it is relative. but we all have norms to follow. and at the end of the day, ang habol natin ay common good
Quote from: Luc on March 12, 2011, 09:11:42 AM
To say that it's relative could be another definition of "goodness". One that is personal, and possibly selfish.
I'd like to think that "goodness" comes from its roots in society where ethics apply. Actions that fall in the spectrum of beneficence and non-maleficence.
nosebleed.
Quote from: Jon on March 13, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
Quote from: Luc on March 12, 2011, 09:11:42 AM
To say that it's relative could be another definition of "goodness". One that is personal, and possibly selfish.
I'd like to think that "goodness" comes from its roots in society where ethics apply. Actions that fall in the spectrum of beneficence and non-maleficence.
nosebleed.
natawa ako sa comment mo jon. hehehe. :-) when everyone's getting serious already, biglang sumulpot ang icebreaker mo. :-)
Quote from: carpediem on March 07, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
hmm. so goodness is relative? morality is relative?
yes :D
i don't know, but i'm thinking that to some extent, there is something absolute in morality... different people of different world views seems to agree on some unseen contracts about life in general so as to make an elusive stride from chaos. goodness seem to have a common denominator -- and that's where i see being absolute would fit in.
Quote from: ctan on March 26, 2011, 11:56:02 PM
i don't know, but i'm thinking that to some extent, there is something absolute in morality... different people of different world views seems to agree on some unseen contracts about life in general so as to make an elusive stride from chaos. goodness seem to have a common denominator -- and that's where i see being absolute would fit in.
bakit ganun....ang lalim hehehehe
agaguy!!!!...sana pakitagalog hehehehe..
kidding.
Is goodness and morality from God?
Quote from: carpediem on April 16, 2011, 11:45:57 AM
Is goodness and morality from God?
I think no, kasi we are given free will, right? nasa tao na iyon kung he/she decides to be good or not, to practice morality or not.
The things that came from God are our life, mountains and seas, skies, other living things like animals, insect, plants and trees, etc.
@pb: I think most Christians would not agree with you when you said goodness and morality is not from God.
Quote from: carpediem on April 16, 2011, 01:38:57 PM
@pb: I think most Christians would not agree with you when you said goodness and morality is not from God.
yeah you are right, but it is my opinion only. If everything came from God, that includes evil and bad things too ;D that's why I don't agree on this specific issue.
nagpapakabait again. katatapos lang ng easter.