Maybe non-Roman Catholic members can answer your questions. :-)
ctan, curious lang, are you a protestant?
Yup
wow! sosyal! db pang-kanong religion yan? c Martin Luther ang foundeer nyo d ba?
If you can summarize the main differences between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism in just two points, what are those two?
protestantism simply avoid too much symbols to the point that even the significant ones were deleted like the sign of the cross...too much veneration to mother mary is also another difference
^^ db puro "Mama Mary" din ang mga catholics?
Protestants from the root word "protest". They protest the catholic faith during the dark ages/middle ages. No difference with reformists.
for me, it is a better Religion than Catholics because they reformed some things unacceptable in the Christian faith during those times and up to now, it is still existing and growing. It's like they just improve it for the better :D
protestant b ang latter day saints?
Protestant = Mormons?
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on November 24, 2010, 03:01:28 PM
protestant b ang latter day saints?
Protestant = Mormons?
I dont think so. Ang Mormons is a branch of Later Day Saints na nabuo later part na ng civilization during the 1800s very far from the middle ages 1400-1500. They can be called restorationist kc they restore the Christian faith.
^^ bat ang yayaman ng mga latter day saints?
Quote from: ctan on November 24, 2010, 09:56:46 AM
Yup
what particular religion? diba broad ito? Broad as in maraming iba't ibang churces within?
I'm from one of the groups who adhere to John Wesley's theological teachings. Hehe!
Calvinism ba yun?
Ah hindi. John Wesley was an Arminian. :-) I'm a Methodist.
Aw, my bad. Diba hindi kayo naniniwala sa Trinity?
Hmm.. I think hinde.. Kase merong charuch ang Latter Day Saints sa Green Meadows at sa bandang Aurora Boulevard. Malalaking simbahan ito at bonggang-bongga ang church nila. Masmaganda pa sa mala Disneyland style na Iglesia ni Kristo. (Nung bata aq I though Disneyland ang church nila.)
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on November 25, 2010, 02:22:00 AM
Aw, my bad. Diba hindi kayo naniniwala sa Trinity?
Trinity is a very basic faith of catholicism... when we talk about catholic wag agad nating isipin na roman catholic... catholic means universal...a church founded by the Lord jesus Christ ... one faith one baptism.. tao lang nagdivide nito... i think thats why im proud of the church where i belong... no biases... priest can marry and people can just express themselves in worship...
The reformation churches - protestant churches believe in the Trinity. The Trinity is one of the basis of faith ng church. :-)
Unitarians pala hindi naniniwala sa trinity.
anong major differences ng mga protestants sa roman catholic?
I'll post lang siguro yung basic differences. I'll be speaking on behalf of the reformation churches.
1. Salvation is by GRACE alone through FAITH alone. Good works is a by-product of being saved. Note: Salvation is being justified, saved from eternal damnation in hell, and receiving eternal life with God in heaven. I think in Roman Catholic (RC), to receive salvation, one must receive the 5 different sacriments. Am I right?
2. Mary is a Bible character to us. In RC, there is veneration of Mary.
3. Although in different denominations, there are also different church polity and government structure, we do not have a Pope. And we do not believe that the RC pope is the vicar of Christ.
4. We do not have statues/graven images of different Bible characters.
5. When we say "saint", we refer to the Christian. Saints are those who follow Christ with all their heart, soul, mind and strength.
6. We also have a communion. We call it "The Lord's Supper", or some reformation churches call it "Communion". We do not do it every Sunday. Most do it during the 1st Sunday of the month, while others seldom do it. We do not believe trans-substantiation, as RC does. We believe that we partake of the Lord's Supper/Communion in remembrance only of what Jesus and the Disciples did.
7. We do not have novenas.
8. Each member of the reformation church is encouraged to individually read and study the Bible.
9. We do not do the sign of the cross.
10. Our pastors can marry.
What's a protestant's idea of a hell like?
Quote from: carpediem on November 25, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
What's a protestant's idea of a hell like?
actually carpediem, although most protestants agree to the Biblical description of hell, there are some factions who believe in Annihilationism, meaning, when a person dies, he ceases to exist, lost into existence thus would not enjoy the eternal presence of God after death. however, that is the unorthodox belief. so i'd rather say, that reformationists believe in this description of hell:
- Mark 9:48, "place where their worms do not die and fire is not quenched"
- Revelations 20:14, "lake of fire"
- Matthew 13:50, "furnace of fire... weeping and gnashing of teeth"
- Revelations 14:11, "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night"
Ok. Protestants also do not believe in purgatory and limbo right?
ah yeah, one of the differences. :-)
hhmm.. same ang belief nmin ng protestant. born again me.
Which kinda reminds.. ung isang friend q sa victory church eh ikinahihiya siyang sabihin na "born again" xa. I find that thought stupid..
also, we dont believe n hinde mappunta sa langit ung mga kaluluwang nasa impyerno n kht na ipagdasal mo pa xa.
What's a protestant's idea of a heaven like?
I'm not an expert, but this is what I read in the Bible:
REVELATION 21
1 Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth,"[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 'He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[c] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[d] thick.[e] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[f] 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.
22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Quote from: joshgroban on November 25, 2010, 10:03:07 AM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on November 25, 2010, 02:22:00 AM
Aw, my bad. Diba hindi kayo naniniwala sa Trinity?
Trinity is a very basic faith of catholicism... when we talk about catholic wag agad nating isipin na roman catholic... catholic means universal...a church founded by the Lord jesus Christ ... one faith one baptism.. tao lang nagdivide nito... i think thats why im proud of the church where i belong... no biases... priest can marry and people can just express themselves in worship...
hmmm....priests that can marry are from an Aglipay Church, tama ba Josh?
iba iba ang versions ng Bible kaya marami na din ang nagsulputang mga congregations and big organizations. Iba iba din ang interpretations ng mga pastors, ministers, priests sa mga verses sa Bible.
But the important thing as I remember mentioned by my professor in Philosophy, Bible is summarized as "to love God first and to love our neighbors". From there it springs all other good practices that teaches a believer.
What are "wildsons"?
@Mr Yoso - Wildsons are gathering of Christians youth.. SONS naman ang tawag sa org kapag inside sa shool/univ/colleges.
What particular denomination do they belong?
wala ako masyadong alam sa wildsons...
They are Born Again Christians... :)
Si Quiboloy ba, protestant din?
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on November 29, 2010, 10:33:21 PM
Si Quiboloy ba, protestant din?
hmm... in a sense siguro but hindi sila original reformationists.
You do believe in Christmas, right?
@ctan - Question lang... bakit "Wildsons" kaagad ang natanong mo sa akin?
Quote from: maykel on December 01, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
@ctan - Question lang... bakit "Wildsons" kaagad ang natanong mo sa akin?
familiar lang. :-)
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 01, 2010, 01:21:43 AM
You do believe in Christmas, right?
kung ako ang tinatanong mo... Yes, we believe and celebrate Xmas.
Quote from: ctan on December 01, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: maykel on December 01, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
@ctan - Question lang... bakit "Wildsons" kaagad ang natanong mo sa akin?
familiar lang. :-)
I see. Pero paano mo nalaman na nagwiwildsons ako?
Anung version ng bible ang ginagamit ng mga protestants?
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 02, 2010, 07:01:14 PM
Anung version ng bible ang ginagamit ng mga protestants?
kahit ano naman, basta bible. :)
Quote from: maykel on December 02, 2010, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 01, 2010, 01:21:43 AM
You do believe in Christmas, right?
kung ako ang tinatanong mo... Yes, we believe and celebrate Xmas.
Quote from: ctan on December 01, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: maykel on December 01, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
@ctan - Question lang... bakit "Wildsons" kaagad ang natanong mo sa akin?
familiar lang. :-)
I see. Pero paano mo nalaman na nagwiwildsons ako?
aaah. nakita ko somewhere. di ko maalala kung saan.
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 01, 2010, 01:21:43 AM
You do believe in Christmas, right?
yup. :-) Jesus is the reason for the season. :-)
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 02, 2010, 07:01:14 PM
Anung version ng bible ang ginagamit ng mga protestants?
any version. but we do not accept the Deuterocanonicals or the Apocrypha to be part of the original canon.
May "Mahal na araw" ba kayo? Ginugunita nyo ba ang pagkamatay ni Christ sa cross?
Sa Dati kong church is ndi ginugunita yun. The reason is Jesus is alive and His death should be remembered every day because it is the reason why we are saved. :)
But still we pay respect sa mga gumugunita nun.
ang pinagkaiba lang ata ay, naniniwala kaming buhay si Jesus at hindi siya namamatay tuwing mahal na araw. ;D
lagi ko kasi naririnig sa iba , "uy mag-ingat kayo, patay ang dios ngayon." ;D
There are different denominations of the Protestant movement. We trace back our roots to the Reformation period.
- Baptists
- Methodists
- Pentecostals
- Evangelicals
- Salvation Army
- Mennonites
- Puritans
- Anglicans
- Nazarenes
- Presbyterians
- Lutherans
- Episcopalians
- Adventists
Do Protestants observe Ash Wednesday?
Quote from: carpediem on March 09, 2011, 01:50:13 PM
Do Protestants observe Ash Wednesday?
I'm not sure but most of the Protestants don't commemorate Ash Wednesday.
I'm not sure pero I think the largest in the world is the baptist denomination.
Quote from: fox69 on March 09, 2011, 06:20:24 PM
another question : which among the denominations is the most conservative ?
hmm... conservative, in what way?
Quote from: fox69 on March 09, 2011, 06:29:34 PM
conservative in the sense that there are a lot of "bawal" like dress restrictions, etc
most protestant denominations ay may pagka-conserbatibo na flavor. wala talaga distinct na denomination. :-)
sa totoo niyan, though hindi lahat, merong mga denominations na nagsasabi sila yung tama so dapat sa kanila sumali ang mga tao. however, most of the protestant denominations agree to be one with the essential doctrines. and we also agree to disagree on minor church practices. :-) overall, if rivalry is the matter, i think wala namang ganun. there are just some denominations na sa tingin nila sila ang tama.
really? what church is that? what are your expectations?
Quote from: fox69 on March 09, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
thanks ctan..somebody invited me to a protestant church service this sunday :P
go! masaya yan.
i have been invited as well (3x na) and they really help you in praying..
Lutherans have a liturgical way of worship. So halos same lang ng Roman Catholic yung proseso. :-)
isa rin kasi sa mga differences ng mga protestant denominations ay yung paraan ng worship service. for example, the lutherans, methodists, some baptists, presbyterians (?) have liturgies. others have spontaneous activities such as the pentecostals and the quakers. the rest just a typical worship service/program.
isa din sa differences is yung music na gamit. the contemporary denominations use a live band as accompaniment. liturgical worship uses a piano/keyboards for music.
go fox. I observe that Catholics ang may pinakasaradong pagiisip when it comes to religion ;D
And so I learned not long ago that the Protestants and the Catholics do not have the exact same version of the Ten Commandments.
Quote from: carpediem on December 12, 2011, 10:44:27 PM
And so I learned not long ago that the Protestants and the Catholics do not have the exact same version of the Ten Commandments.
weh di nga, iisa lang ang 10 commandments na nakalagay sa Bible
^ Then as a Catholic, enumerate the 10 commandments. As a protestant to enumerate the 10 commandments and compare.
Quote from: carpediem on December 18, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
^ Then as a Catholic, enumerate the 10 commandments. As a protestant to enumerate the 10 commandments and compare.
ah you mean, the usage of words may pagkakaiba pero the content or meaning are the same. Normal lang iyon dahil iba ibang versions ng Bible. Marami ng dumadagdag na versions as time goes by. The important thing is you use 3 to 4 versions if your planning to study the Bible para hinde ka mawala sa context kasi ang mga versions may iba ibang words na ginamit na pwede maiba ang interpretation mo, interpretation ko or interpretation ng iba.
^ Oh no. I do not mean the wording.
Why don't you just enumerate them and let's see.
yes, may ibang items ang different sa catholic bible from the other bibles with regards to the 10 commandments...
I'm new here and by chance i was able to see this topic. Even though almost 6 mos nang walang nagpopost, rereply ko lang to.
yep, an observer may see a very BIG difference sa 10 commandments na tinuturo ng RCs from that of the Protestants.
-Protestants and other reformed churches faithfully use a direct quote from Exodus of the 10 commandments. The greatest difference is that most protestants treat "Thou shalt not make graven images" as the 2nd commandment, it is about making and worshipping graven images.
-The Roman Catholics naman use a "shortcut" kasi they say since the point of the "Thou shalt not make graven images" is about idolatry (which is pointed din naman sa 1st commandment), understood na sya na kasama sa 1st commandment which prohibits us to worship other gods other than God. But the remission daw is in no way to support worshipping of graven images. It is only to support na okay lang gumawa ng images (since God also commanded to create images of cherubs in the Ark of the Covenant and the bronze serpent), as long as you DO NOT worship them. And it does not mean daw na binago nila, maybe the numbering is different pero the substance is the same.
kaya magkaiba eh back in the old days, there's no sure way to discern how to break them down. kasi sa Hebrew texts dati, wla namang nakalagay na numbers, written sila per se "daw".
well in my POV as long as you follow the 2 greatest commandments that Jesus handed down, swak na un. Kasi all the 10 commandments are rooted to these 2 which is all about love for God and love for others. In short, if you follow the 2, you will also be following the 10, and also, other 613 Mosaic Law.
Quote from: ctan on November 25, 2010, 08:16:59 PM
I'll post lang siguro yung basic differences. I'll be speaking on behalf of the reformation churches.
1. Salvation is by GRACE alone through FAITH alone. Good works is a by-product of being saved. Note: Salvation is being justified, saved from eternal damnation in hell, and receiving eternal life with God in heaven. I think in Roman Catholic (RC), to receive salvation, one must receive the 5 different sacriments. Am I right?
2. Mary is a Bible character to us. In RC, there is veneration of Mary.
3. Although in different denominations, there are also different church polity and government structure, we do not have a Pope. And we do not believe that the RC pope is the vicar of Christ.
4. We do not have statues/graven images of different Bible characters.
5. When we say "saint", we refer to the Christian. Saints are those who follow Christ with all their heart, soul, mind and strength.
6. We also have a communion. We call it "The Lord's Supper", or some reformation churches call it "Communion". We do not do it every Sunday. Most do it during the 1st Sunday of the month, while others seldom do it. We do not believe trans-substantiation, as RC does. We believe that we partake of the Lord's Supper/Communion in remembrance only of what Jesus and the Disciples did.
7. We do not have novenas.
8. Each member of the reformation church is encouraged to individually read and study the Bible.
9. We do not do the sign of the cross.
10. Our pastors can marry.
I agree in some of the teachings on Protestant..im a Catholic and i believe that not all of the teachings of Roman Catholic are TRUE..i'm just sad that there are Catholics who defend their Catholic faith and insists that they are always true..isn't that it is pride? :( some said that it is the demon's work if a person transfers from one religion...how come that some will said that? knowing that we know that Jesus have plans for us and what if transferring to one religion from another can be God's way in order for us to attain His plans? we don't know...so Catholics don't have the right to judge people...only God could judge us..right?
sinong Protestant dito?...anong masasabi niyo sa paggamit o paghiram ng Roman Catholic church sa mga pagan symbols etc..may inattendan kasi akong liturgical formation at sabi nung speaker ang Catholic daw ay humiram sa mga pagan..di ko alam kung symbol, activity o anu..basta haha...e di ba ayaw ni Jesus ng mga pagan worship etc...?
Catholicism is universal.
Quote from: niceguy1111 on May 29, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
sinong Protestant dito?...anong masasabi niyo sa paggamit o paghiram ng Roman Catholic church sa mga pagan symbols etc..may inattendan kasi akong liturgical formation at sabi nung speaker ang Catholic daw ay humiram sa mga pagan..di ko alam kung symbol, activity o anu..basta haha...e di ba ayaw ni Jesus ng mga pagan worship etc...?
Actually hindi humiram but more like came from paganism (if ever there's a term). If my memory serves me right Constantine was a pagan before he became a Catholic. Constantine was the person responsible kung bakit Catholic ang parang "dominant" (my opinion) religion all over the world. When Constantine was converted to ROMAN CATHOLIC, he issued the EDICT OF MILAN to proclaim that religious affiliations (Christianity) will not be persecuted anymore just like in the past but proclaimed that ROMAN CATHOLIC be the official religion of the whole roman empire.
FYI, Christmas is not really a Christian celebration but more like a pagan celebration. Jesus Christ was "never" born ON DECEMBER 25. Who knows when but "IT COULD or COULD NOT BE" December 25. Historically December is the month dedicated to their SUN GOD, which is their PRIME God SOL. That's why when Constantine was converted, they used some of the pagan celebrations or symbols to be used in Catholic religion. That's why CHRISTMAS for CHristians=Feast day of the SUN God for pagans.
on topic:
Catholic religion has 7 sacraments:
1. Baptism
2. Eucharist
3. Confirmation
4. Matrimony
5. Reconcillation/Penance
6. Holy Order
7. Anointing of the Sick
as compared to Protestanism which has about 4 or 5 ata.
I know they don't believe in Penance, holy order, and eucharist. (correct me if im wrong)
If i remember it correctly kaya they don't believe in the sacrament of Penance bec the act of reconcillation should not be adminsitered by someone (priests in the case of Catholics). They believe that it should be done personally with GOD.
ewan ko ba sa Catholicism..ang absurd at nonsense ng ibang mga bagay bagay na tinuturo nila...merong tama pero marami namang mali...pag tinanong mo naman yung mga nakakaalam...ang daming palusot o ang daming alam kasi nga pinagaralan...pero kung ikaw mismo magiinterpret ng Scriptures...parang hindi nagkakatugma yung mga pinagsasabi nila... :(
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 09, 2012, 12:03:41 AM
ewan ko ba sa Catholicism..ang absurd at nonsense ng ibang mga bagay bagay na tinuturo nila...merong tama pero marami namang mali...pag tinanong mo naman yung mga nakakaalam...ang daming palusot o ang daming alam kasi nga pinagaralan...pero kung ikaw mismo magiinterpret ng Scriptures...parang hindi nagkakatugma yung mga pinagsasabi nila... :(
for instance what?
tulad ng yung sa sacrament of reconciliation...mangumpisal ka muna sa pari bago kay Lord...samantalang wala namang sinasabi sa Bible na ganun...nonsense din yung pangungumpisal sa pari kasi ganun din nangumpisal ka rin kay Lord..depende na lang kung nagkasala ka sa pari...hindi naman sigurong pwede sabihin ng isang tao na "ay hindi ako mapapatawad ni Lord kasi di pa ako nangumpisal sa pari"<--ibig sabihin nagddoubt ka sa forgiveness ni Lord? kahit sino naman pwedeng mapatawad ang isa't isa then through this mapapatawad ka na ni Lord...
Matthew 6:14-16
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."
Parang sinasabi ng Katoliko na pari lang ang makakapag absolve ng sins? kung sinasabi nila na dahil may authority ang mga pari dahil nga daw kay Peter o sa apostolic tradition...well as far as i can remember sa Pentecost, binigay ang Holy Spirit sa kanila at sinabi ni Christ na "Whose sins you shall forgive,they are forgiven them: whose sins you shall retain, they are retained"....samantalang nandun mismo si Mary nung nangyare yun at natanggap din ang Holy Spirit...so how come apostles lang ang makakapag forgive ng sins? samantalang sinabi ni Christ yun sa kanilang lahat na naniniwala sa kanya na may Holy Spirit..gets? If some will say that because Mary is a lady and he doesn't have the authority like men then its fine because a lady as far as i know na hindi nila kailangang magpreach sa church...
"women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34
but forgiveness of sins is not a form of preaching...because preaching is something that teaches the Word of God...so its different
gets? nawawala yung essence nung Scripture...common sense lang naman ang ginamit ko
tapos sasabihin nila na yung Church lang ang makakpaginterpret ng Bible kasi hindi daw natin maiintindihan.....samantalang may mga Bible study at lahat kayang mainterpret ang Bible
"By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ" Ephesians 3:4
..so what's the point of having authority ng mga pari o Vatican sa paginterpret? well ok lang na may authority pero pag mali na ang tinuturo..susundin pa ba natin?...hindi ako natatakot na hindi sundin ang ibang utos ng Katoliko kundi natatakot ako kay Lord mismo..
isip isip din hehe
Quote from: geo on June 06, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on May 29, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
sinong Protestant dito?...anong masasabi niyo sa paggamit o paghiram ng Roman Catholic church sa mga pagan symbols etc..may inattendan kasi akong liturgical formation at sabi nung speaker ang Catholic daw ay humiram sa mga pagan..di ko alam kung symbol, activity o anu..basta haha...e di ba ayaw ni Jesus ng mga pagan worship etc...?
Actually hindi humiram but more like came from paganism (if ever there's a term). If my memory serves me right Constantine was a pagan before he became a Catholic. Constantine was the person responsible kung bakit Catholic ang parang "dominant" (my opinion) religion all over the world. When Constantine was converted to ROMAN CATHOLIC, he issued the EDICT OF MILAN to proclaim that religious affiliations (Christianity) will not be persecuted anymore just like in the past but proclaimed that ROMAN CATHOLIC be the official religion of the whole roman empire.
FYI, Christmas is not really a Christian celebration but more like a pagan celebration. Jesus Christ was "never" born ON DECEMBER 25. Who knows when but "IT COULD or COULD NOT BE" December 25. Historically December is the month dedicated to their SUN GOD, which is their PRIME God SOL. That's why when Constantine was converted, they used some of the pagan celebrations or symbols to be used in Catholic religion. That's why CHRISTMAS for CHristians=Feast day of the SUN God for pagans.
yun na ang problema dito...nanggaling sa pagan at bibigyan nila ng kahulugan na mejo related kay Jesus Christ...para mapaniwala tayo, syempre hindi natin maitatanggi kasi nga may pagka maka-Diyos ang dating...ang tanong...gugustuhin ba to ni Lord na may bahid ng paganism ang mga relihiyon dedicated sa kanya? samantalang siya mismo ay ayaw ng mga pagan practices...gets? tapos sasabihin nila na kasi sa tradition ganyan ganyan....ok lang naman siguro na sumunod sa tradition pero kung may something na may masama hindi na dapat sundin....
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 11, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: geo on June 06, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on May 29, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
sinong Protestant dito?...anong masasabi niyo sa paggamit o paghiram ng Roman Catholic church sa mga pagan symbols etc..may inattendan kasi akong liturgical formation at sabi nung speaker ang Catholic daw ay humiram sa mga pagan..di ko alam kung symbol, activity o anu..basta haha...e di ba ayaw ni Jesus ng mga pagan worship etc...?
Actually hindi humiram but more like came from paganism (if ever there's a term). If my memory serves me right Constantine was a pagan before he became a Catholic. Constantine was the person responsible kung bakit Catholic ang parang "dominant" (my opinion) religion all over the world. When Constantine was converted to ROMAN CATHOLIC, he issued the EDICT OF MILAN to proclaim that religious affiliations (Christianity) will not be persecuted anymore just like in the past but proclaimed that ROMAN CATHOLIC be the official religion of the whole roman empire.
FYI, Christmas is not really a Christian celebration but more like a pagan celebration. Jesus Christ was "never" born ON DECEMBER 25. Who knows when but "IT COULD or COULD NOT BE" December 25. Historically December is the month dedicated to their SUN GOD, which is their PRIME God SOL. That's why when Constantine was converted, they used some of the pagan celebrations or symbols to be used in Catholic religion. That's why CHRISTMAS for CHristians=Feast day of the SUN God for pagans.
yun na ang problema dito...nanggaling sa pagan at bibigyan nila ng kahulugan na mejo related kay Jesus Christ...para mapaniwala tayo, syempre hindi natin maitatanggi kasi nga may pagka maka-Diyos ang dating...ang tanong...gugustuhin ba to ni Lord na may bahid ng paganism ang mga relihiyon dedicated sa kanya? samantalang siya mismo ay ayaw ng mga pagan practices...gets? tapos sasabihin nila na kasi sa tradition ganyan ganyan....ok lang naman siguro na sumunod sa tradition pero kung may something na may masama hindi na dapat sundin....
well blame it on the ecumenical councils. They are the one who handpicked kung ano ang dapat gawin ng mga Catholics at kung ano ang ilalagay sa Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not the only gospels. There's the gospel of Phillip, Judas, Mary Magdalene and the gnostic gospels.... but these gospels represent Jesus as only Human or as only God not both Human and Divine. That's why our Church Fathers (Ecumenical councils) picked the gospels that we know today.
If we look at it more closely, did Jesus really envisioned that humans should build a religion (Roman Catholic) with deacons, priest, bishops and a Pope? A religion with hierarchy and the Pope at the top of it?
Remember that kung sino ang makapangyarihan yun ang masusunod..... Do you think that if it weren't for Constantine or the Benedictine monks who protected our religion Catholic pa rin kaya ang dominant religion today?
OT: saan nanggaling ang salitang cath0lic?
bakit ito ang tawag sa religion nila at hindi nalang CHRISTÌAN?
hindi ba ang ibig sabihin ng catholic ay universal?..basta hindi ako naniniwalang universal ang catholic samantalang may libo libong relihiyon sa buong mundo..what's the point?
there is only one body... one church... catholic doesnt mean its roman ... if somebody ask me about my religion its catholic...but not roman... besides tue religion is not really an organizations..its the good deed that we do to others...
^ hear ye, hear ye.
Quote from: joshgroban on June 14, 2012, 01:30:32 AM
there is only one body... one church... catholic doesnt mean its roman ... if somebody ask me about my religion its catholic...but not roman... besides tue religion is not really an organizations..its the good deed that we do to others...
sorry monch, i have to disagree with the last line.
*I got this from a movie I saw and I believe he's right.
Let's say someone murdered a very close person to you, like your mom, dad or your child. Then comes the trial, the murderer said to the judge, "Hey, judge I did commit the murder but there are also many good deeds that I've done...". Then the judge would decide not guilty. Would you think he's a good judge? Of course not!
Our God is a good judge, he will not just judge us by every good deeds we have but all the wrongs that we did. Every sin that we did. And the wages(payment for) of sin is death. That is why He sent Jesus, whom died on the cross on behalf of us in order that we may be forgiven.
Does that mean all of us has already been forgiven? No, it only applies if we acknowledge that Jesus did died on the cross, that He is our ONLY saviour and He is God. Which through Him (Jesus) we will be able to have a relationship with God.
As far as I know, this is the foundation of the Christian faith.
Good deeds is just the fruit of your faith.
haba no? sorry.. ;D
if we try to read the whole of Scriptures, we will see that Jesus is not building a religion. Jesus in fact, came to seek and save that which was lost.
correct! We were asked once in our theology class.... "did Jesus really envisioned to have a religion with hierarchy? with pope at the top, bishops and priests? When He said to Peter to build a Church from that rock, did He really meant to build a religion or a group of people?
yup, kasi religion is created only by men.
Quote from: noyskie on June 14, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on June 14, 2012, 01:30:32 AM
there is only one body... one church... catholic doesnt mean its roman ... if somebody ask me about my religion its catholic...but not roman... besides tue religion is not really an organizations..its the good deed that we do to others...
sorry monch, i have to disagree with the last line.
*I got this from a movie I saw and I believe he's right.
Let's say someone murdered a very close person to you, like your mom, dad or your child. Then comes the trial, the murderer said to the judge, "Hey, judge I did commit the murder but there are also many good deeds that I've done...". Then the judge would decide not guilty. Would you think he's a good judge? Of course not!
Our God is a good judge, he will not just judge us by every good deeds we have but all the wrongs that we did. Every sin that we did. And the wages(payment for) of sin is death. That is why He sent Jesus, whom died on the cross on behalf of us in order that we may be forgiven.
Does that mean all of us has already been forgiven? No, it only applies if we acknowledge that Jesus did died on the cross, that He is our ONLY saviour and He is God. Which through Him (Jesus) we will be able to have a relationship with God.
As far as I know, this is the foundation of the Christian faith.
Good deeds is just the fruit of your faith.
haba no? sorry.. ;D
yap yun naman ang tumbok ko e... the good deeds which is a product of our faith not just our own doing... pag kristyano ko kasi... magiging manifestation ng yung faith ang good works....imposible namang kristiyano ka pero sama ugali mo di ba hehe
Quote from: ctan on July 02, 2012, 08:32:44 PM
yup, kasi religion is created only by men.
Back in college, we were ask if what is the difference of religion from faith? It is a really difficult question because most of us would think that these words are like synonymous with each other. Our theology professor said: Religion builds walls while faith builds bridges.
Our religion forbid us to do this and that but for other people who has a different religion, it is okay BUT we are one in praising our God. Yahweh for others. Buddah and Allah on the other side. But what is the difference? Each one of us believes in one supreme being. Different religion but the same faith. :)
CATHOLIC? SUS PARANG NANGGALING LANG NA SALITA YAN SA SPANISH ERA
^any proof?
guys marry is only instrument not a god
can u give me a reason why did you pray marry?
^ its Mary not marry. Second if you pray, it does not mean that He/She is a God already.
Quote from: geo on June 13, 2012, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 11, 2012, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: geo on June 06, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on May 29, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
sinong Protestant dito?...anong masasabi niyo sa paggamit o paghiram ng Roman Catholic church sa mga pagan symbols etc..may inattendan kasi akong liturgical formation at sabi nung speaker ang Catholic daw ay humiram sa mga pagan..di ko alam kung symbol, activity o anu..basta haha...e di ba ayaw ni Jesus ng mga pagan worship etc...?
Actually hindi humiram but more like came from paganism (if ever there's a term). If my memory serves me right Constantine was a pagan before he became a Catholic. Constantine was the person responsible kung bakit Catholic ang parang "dominant" (my opinion) religion all over the world. When Constantine was converted to ROMAN CATHOLIC, he issued the EDICT OF MILAN to proclaim that religious affiliations (Christianity) will not be persecuted anymore just like in the past but proclaimed that ROMAN CATHOLIC be the official religion of the whole roman empire.
FYI, Christmas is not really a Christian celebration but more like a pagan celebration. Jesus Christ was "never" born ON DECEMBER 25. Who knows when but "IT COULD or COULD NOT BE" December 25. Historically December is the month dedicated to their SUN GOD, which is their PRIME God SOL. That's why when Constantine was converted, they used some of the pagan celebrations or symbols to be used in Catholic religion. That's why CHRISTMAS for CHristians=Feast day of the SUN God for pagans.
yun na ang problema dito...nanggaling sa pagan at bibigyan nila ng kahulugan na mejo related kay Jesus Christ...para mapaniwala tayo, syempre hindi natin maitatanggi kasi nga may pagka maka-Diyos ang dating...ang tanong...gugustuhin ba to ni Lord na may bahid ng paganism ang mga relihiyon dedicated sa kanya? samantalang siya mismo ay ayaw ng mga pagan practices...gets? tapos sasabihin nila na kasi sa tradition ganyan ganyan....ok lang naman siguro na sumunod sa tradition pero kung may something na may masama hindi na dapat sundin....
well blame it on the ecumenical councils. They are the one who handpicked kung ano ang dapat gawin ng mga Catholics at kung ano ang ilalagay sa Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not the only gospels. There's the gospel of Phillip, Judas, Mary Magdalene and the gnostic gospels.... but these gospels represent Jesus as only Human or as only God not both Human and Divine. That's why our Church Fathers (Ecumenical councils) picked the gospels that we know today.
If we look at it more closely, did Jesus really envisioned that humans should build a religion (Roman Catholic) with deacons, priest, bishops and a Pope? A religion with hierarchy and the Pope at the top of it?
Remember that kung sino ang makapangyarihan yun ang masusunod..... Do you think that if it weren't for Constantine or the Benedictine monks who protected our religion Catholic pa rin kaya ang dominant religion today?
Im disagree how do you say this? well blame it on the ecumenical councils. They are the one who handpicked kung ano ang dapat gawin ng mga Catholics at kung ano ang ilalagay sa Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not the only gospels. There's the gospel of Phillip, Judas, Mary Magdalene and the gnostic gospels.... but these gospels represent Jesus as only Human or as only God not both Human and Divine. That's why our Church Fathers (Ecumenical councils) picked the gospels that we know today.
>>EH KAYA NAMN PLA MISMONG SINULAT NILA SA BIBLE DI NILA KAYANG SUNDIN EH EXCUSE ME FOR SAYING THIS ""BAKIT HINDI KAYANG BASAHIN NG MGA OBISPO OR ETC. ANG VERSE SA BIBLE NA NAGBABAWAL SUMAMBA SA REBULTO? DBA SULAT NILA YAN AT DAPAT LAHAT NG DEBOTO ALAM NILA YAN"" SILA NA MISMO ANG SUMUWAY SA UTOS NG DIYOS AT KUNG ANU PANG SINULAT NILA PAGBALIKTARIN NYO MAN PANSININ NINYO TO ALL CATHOLICS MEMBERS NA YUNG PRIEST NINYO ETC.MAY INIIWASAN SILANG VERSE NA AYAW NILANG BASAHIN SA LAHAT PROMISE BELIEVE ME ""IM NOT ANTI CHRIST BUT I WANT TO CORRECT THIS""
let me just remind everyone that this thread is not a bashing thread to other faith or beliefs. thanks!
Naks... iboto si doc as next pgg moderator... hahaha
kahit anung religion mo, just respect kung anu ang paniniwala ng iba.
ako kahit saan basta isa lang ang dinadasalan ko. siya lang.
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 11, 2012, 10:48:11 PM
tulad ng yung sa sacrament of reconciliation...mangumpisal ka muna sa pari bago kay Lord...samantalang wala namang sinasabi sa Bible na ganun...nonsense din yung pangungumpisal sa pari kasi ganun din nangumpisal ka rin kay Lord..depende na lang kung nagkasala ka sa pari...hindi naman sigurong pwede sabihin ng isang tao na "ay hindi ako mapapatawad ni Lord kasi di pa ako nangumpisal sa pari"<--ibig sabihin nagddoubt ka sa forgiveness ni Lord? kahit sino naman pwedeng mapatawad ang isa't isa then through this mapapatawad ka na ni Lord...
Matthew 6:14-16
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."
Parang sinasabi ng Katoliko na pari lang ang makakapag absolve ng sins? kung sinasabi nila na dahil may authority ang mga pari dahil nga daw kay Peter o sa apostolic tradition...well as far as i can remember sa Pentecost, binigay ang Holy Spirit sa kanila at sinabi ni Christ na "Whose sins you shall forgive,they are forgiven them: whose sins you shall retain, they are retained"....samantalang nandun mismo si Mary nung nangyare yun at natanggap din ang Holy Spirit...so how come apostles lang ang makakapag forgive ng sins? samantalang sinabi ni Christ yun sa kanilang lahat na naniniwala sa kanya na may Holy Spirit..gets? If some will say that because Mary is a lady and he doesn't have the authority like men then its fine because a lady as far as i know na hindi nila kailangang magpreach sa church...
"women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34
but forgiveness of sins is not a form of preaching...because preaching is something that teaches the Word of God...so its different
gets? nawawala yung essence nung Scripture...common sense lang naman ang ginamit ko
tapos sasabihin nila na yung Church lang ang makakpaginterpret ng Bible kasi hindi daw natin maiintindihan.....samantalang may mga Bible study at lahat kayang mainterpret ang Bible
"By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ" Ephesians 3:4
..so what's the point of having authority ng mga pari o Vatican sa paginterpret? well ok lang na may authority pero pag mali na ang tinuturo..susundin pa ba natin?...hindi ako natatakot na hindi sundin ang ibang utos ng Katoliko kundi natatakot ako kay Lord mismo..
isip isip din hehe
this is a very helpful video to enlighten you on the wonderful sacrament of reconciliation!:-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvo0OCcp600
"Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you." John 20:21 this verse based on what I understood can also mean to all of us not just the apostles..as far as i know not all biblical passages are meant to be interpreted literally..
a contradiction to the video is when Jesus also said to His apostles, "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." (John 20:22-23)
anyone can receive the Holy Spirit, not just the apostles, sa simpleng pagsorry nga lang sa isang tao it means na you are asking for forgiveness then in return mapapatawad ka, it's the same logic as to what Jesus said to his disciples then..ang pinagkaiba lang naman e sinabi Niya yun sa harap mismo ng mga apostles by that time.....but we are ALL called to be Christ's disciples, someone who believes in Him, who devote him/herself to prayers and to Word of God,...regarding with apostolic succession which is not biblical daw but rather a concept formed by Roman Catholic which became a tradition,..a tradition may be bad or good, but when it comes to relating it to Scriptures or religion, it must not contradict it...ayoko na magexplain mahaba na..o basta ang relation dun sa confession, agree or disagree with apostolic succession, as long as we have the Holy Spirit (which we can trust or ask his presence or guidance anytime) then we can forgive sins just like what the disciples did cause WE are all sent by Jesus in this earth to whom He can put trust to in order to proclaim His message and succeed in our mission for the sake of salvation.
Quote from: niceguy1111 on March 10, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
"Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you." John 20:21 this verse based on what I understood can also mean to all of us not just the apostles..as far as i know not all biblical passages are meant to be interpreted literally..
a contradiction to the video is when Jesus also said to His apostles, "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." (John 20:22-23)
anyone can receive the Holy Spirit, not just the apostles, sa simpleng pagsorry nga lang sa isang tao it means na you are asking for forgiveness then in return mapapatawad ka, it's the same logic as to what Jesus said to his disciples then..ang pinagkaiba lang naman e sinabi Niya yun sa harap mismo ng mga apostles by that time.....but we are ALL called to be Christ's disciples, someone who believes in Him, who devote him/herself to prayers and to Word of God,...regarding with apostolic succession which is not biblical daw but rather a concept formed by Roman Catholic which became a tradition,..a tradition may be bad or good, but when it comes to relating it to Scriptures or religion, it must not contradict it...ayoko na magexplain mahaba na..o basta ang relation dun sa confession, agree or disagree with apostolic succession, as long as we have the Holy Spirit (which we can trust or ask his presence or guidance anytime) then we can forgive sins just like what the disciples did cause WE are all sent by Jesus in this earth to whom He can put trust to in order to proclaim His message and succeed in our mission for the sake of salvation.
hmm... good observation. this means that you are really seeking for God, for you are truly seeking truth, which is God Himself.
Phew, challenging ang questions mo, pero i will do my best to answer it.
First, yes, all of us are called to follow Christ,who are called Disciples. They are pupils of the Master. In our case, the Master is Jesus. Peter, James, John, matthew were, at first, disciples of the Lord. However, Jesus has a special plan for them,
mark 3: 13-19
"Jesus went up the mountain* and summoned those whom he wanted and they came to him. He appointed twelve [
whom he also named apostles]
that they might be with him* and he might send them forth to preach and to have authority to drive out demons: [
he appointed the twelve:] Simon, whom he named Peter; James, son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James, whom he named Boanerges, that is, sons of thunder; Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus; Thaddeus, Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot who betrayed him."
From this Gospel Text, we can see that from Disciples, Jesus called the twelve to follow Him closely and share in His Messianic Mission, which is said in the Gospel of Luke 4: 18-19:
""The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,*
because he has anointed me
to bring glad tidings to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives
and recovery of sight to the blind,
to let the oppressed go free, and to proclaim a year acceptable to the Lord."
from disciples, they have been called Apostles of Jesus. the word "apostle" comes from the Latin 'apostolus' which means, "someone who is sent." In the Gospel accounts of the Last Supper (luke 22:19) and of the Appearance of the Risen Christ to the Apostles (John 20:21-22), He ordains them to the special ministry of serving the Church by preaching the Gospel and celebrating His memory. of course, all the Baptized share in the Threefold Mission of Jesus (kingly, priestly and prophetic). This is called, "Common Priesthood."
Revelation 1:6
"Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead and ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us* from our sins by his blood,who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father, to him be glory and power forever [and ever]. Amen."
1 peter 2:9
"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."
The Apostles, in turn, by the special anointing by Jesus, represent Him in the Church. This is the Ministerial Priesthood, in the same way that the Old Testament had priests to minister to the people.
Now, with the Sacrament of Reconciliation, of course, all of us can ask sorry to each other, and the Holy Spirit dwells in each of us. So why confess one's sins to a priest? Let us begin with the story of the ten lepers. Read on (Luke 17: 11-19)
As he continued his journey to Jerusalem,e he traveled through Samaria and Galilee.*
12
As he was entering a village,
ten lepers met [him]. They stood at a distance from him
and raised their voice, saying,
"Jesus, Master! Have pity on us!" And when he saw them, he said,
"Go show yourselves to the priests."* As they were going they were cleansed. And one of them, realizing he had been healed, returned, glorifying God in a loud voice; and he fell at the feet of Jesus and thanked him. He was a Samaritan. Jesus said in reply, "Ten were cleansed, were they not? Where are the other nine? Has none but this foreigner returned to give thanks to God?" Then he said to him, "Stand up and go; your faith has saved you."
One may wonder, why does one need to go to the priest? One would think that it will be better to go to a doctor. It is because in Leviticus 14:2–9. When one has leprosy, it is the priest that determines it, declares him unclean and excludes him from the people. it is the priest too who is responsible to assess someone if he is fit to rejoin the congregation. Leprosy too, in the ancient culture, is also seen as the 'curse of sin.' When we sin, we do not only offend God, but we also offend our brothers and sisters. By confessing our sins to the priest, he, not only forgives us in God's Name, but restores us in the name of the community, whom he represents.
Jesus, as the Messiah, has full power and authority in heaven and earth, which includes forgiveness of sins.
In the early Church, we see these traces:
Acts 19:18
"Many of those who had become believers came forward and openly acknowledged their former practices." - early believers went to the gathering of the believers, the Church, to admit their sins
James 5:16
"Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful."
1 John 1:9
"If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from every wrongdoing."
the very authority of the Apostles to absolve sins is from what Jesus said in John 21:
"And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them,m "Receive the holy Spirit.
Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." - the "breath" is called the 'ruah' in aramaic, which is the Breath of God, the Holy Spirit. This action recalls Gn 2:7, where God breathed on the first man and gave him life; just as Adam's life came from God, so now the disciples' new spiritual life comes from Jesus. Cf. also the revivification of the dry bones in Ez 37. This is the author's version of Pentecost.
Yes, God is merciful, and He is always forgiving. However, he establish the Sacrament of Reconciliation in order to reassure us, that we are forgiven, in His Name. it also moves us to be humble and to have faith, that even if priests are sinners like you and me, we rely on the promise of Jesus, that "Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." (john 20:23), and his words "in the hope of eternal life that God, who does not lie" - Titus 1:2 and
Romans 3:3-4
"What if some were unfaithful? Will their infidelity nullify the fidelity of God? Of course not! God must be true, though every human being is a liar,* as it is written:"That you may be justified in your words,
and conquer when you are judged."
pasensya na, sa aking abang nakayanan.
thank you for your patience. May the Holy Spirit help you to discover the Truth, which is Jesus.