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Ano sa tingin niyo?
ito ay sa kabila ng TRO na inisyu ng Korte Suprema ha..
sige, simulan na ulit ang debate! ;D

sa tingin ko hinde. Kailangan magpagamot ng tao sa abroad so I think karapatan nya iyon.It's a matter of life and death. Saka hindi naman siya makakapag-tago siguro kasi well-known personality naman siya. Ang lahat ay may pantay-pantay na karapatan sa batas.

OO..

kasi may kaso syang dapat harapin dito. saka pano tayo nakakasiguro na health reasons talaga yung dahilan kung bakit sya aalis..may possibility kasi talaga na tumakas sya sa mga kaso nya..malay ko ba kung kasabwat nya yung doctor nya para sabihing di sya kayang gamutin dito sa Pilipinas.

hindi sa galit ako kay GMA,gusto ko lng na nasa ayos ang lahat..ayoko lng na mauwi sa pagtakas yung mga kaso na dapat nyang harapin.

Napanuod ko sa isang interview sa news na maxado naman daw ata nya minamaliit ang mga pinoy doctors para sabihin na hindi sya kayang gamutin dito sa bansa dahil kaya naman daw nila (kung hindi ako nagkakamali,isang doctor ang nagsabi nun from philippine medical association), which is totoo naman,kaya naman talaga sya gamutin dito..at kung talagang hindi or kung wala syang tiwala sa Filipino doctors,e di papuntahin nila dito sa Pilipinas yung doctor na titingin sa kanya sa ibang bansa..

kung di ako nagkakamali..pag umalis kasi sya ng bansa at hindi na bumalik,mababalewala ang kaso..hindi pwedeng ituloy ang kaso kung wala naman dito ang akusado..e yun nga lng na di ka sumipot sa hearing for consecutive times,madidismiss na yung case,what more kung wala dito sa pilipinas ang taong involved..

well yun,wish ko nlng na pag umalis sya sana bumalik pa rin sya dito sa Pilipinas,kasi mamimiss ko sya,hahaha..

hangad ko rin ang paggaling nya para di na nya kailangang umalis at maharap nya ang dapat harapin..

at sana nga lng..hindi magsisi ang supreme court na payagan cla makaalis..sa bagay sana'y na siguro ang supreme court sa mga ganyan kaya wala na cla pakialam kung ano kahinatnan ng desisyon nila..

It's GMA's right to travel abroad, whether to seek medical treatment or not. As stated in the Constitution:

QuoteSection 1. No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor shall any person be denied the equal protection of the laws.

Section 6. The liberty of abode and of changing the same within the limits prescribed by law shall not be impaired except upon lawful order of the court. Neither shall the right to travel be impaired except in the interest of national security, public safety, or public health, as may be provided by law.

The DOJ's order is unconstitutional. Defying the TRO of the SC makes it a contempt

The law is blind. They should file a case against her in court and present evidence. Until then, she's innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Unfortunately, no. Let's admit it: we might have written a lenient law or we are too lenient to write law ourselves. We have to prevail the rights of the individual as the law so prescribes. And the law does not judge by perception but by conviction, and our written law convicts by fact and not by truth. Whatever you see may not be true at all.

Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.

kaya di maiwasan ang pagdududa kasi naman bakit kailangan pang umalis di naman life-threatening yung sakit nya at wala namang emergency..again, pwede naman sya magpagamot dito sa Pilipinas.. yun lng..hehehe..

pero sabi nga nila babalik naman daw sila at susundin ang batas..kaya sige na nga, GO!..basta bumalik na lng sila..pag hindi bumalik,saka nalang magsisihan ang DOJ at supreme court,tutal nasa huli naman talaga ang pagsisisi..hahaha..

kung may halong pultika ang di nya pag alis... di ito makatarungan but  if she really needs treatment abroad then she should be given that opportunity....kung nanloloko lang sya bahala na Diyos sa kanya

i think malaking pagkakamali ang ginawang ito ni secretary de lima...


ito ang mga punto na dapat nilang sagutin...

- una sa lahat, walang kaso against cgma..

- ikalawa, nakabatay sa Saligang Batas na ang bawat isa ay may karapatang magbiyahe liban na lamang kung nakasalalay ang national security at public health... iba ang national security at isyu sa national interest na siyang ginagawang basehan ng DOJ.

- ikatlo, ang inilabas na TRO ng Korte Suprema ay Final at Immediately Executory.. walang sinuman, kahit ang Pangulo ang may karapatang pigilin ang desisyon ng Korte Suprema, lalo na ng isang justice secretary...  De Lima, ikaw na ang Chief Justice! lol!


huwag tayong magpalito.. ang isyu dito ay hindi kung babalik pa ba si cgma ng bansa matapos magpagamot..  ang isyu ay ang pagsuway sa utos ng kataas-taasang hukom, at paglabag sa karapatang pantao.. kung nagagawa nila ito kay cgma, ano pa kaya sa mga katulad natin? bakit si ramona bautista, nakatakas ng bansa? gayong isang malaking kaso din naman ang kinasasangkutan nito at alam naman na pangunahin siyang suspek sa krimen?
gayung ang mismong ama ni noynoy na  si Ninoy ay pinayagan ni Marcos na bumiyahe sa ibang bansa para magpagamot, gayundin si Erap na pinayagan ni Arroyo... ano na lang kaya ang tunay na dahilan ng galit ni pnoy kay arroyo? hindi kaya dahil kay arroyo, pinalaya ang mga suspek sa pagpatay ng kanyang ama? hindi kaya dahil kay arroyo naungkat ang mga isyung kinasasangkutan ng hacienda luisita? isip.. isip.. isip...

pina-iral n nman ni PNoy ang kabbohan nya.. para pagtakman yung mnga kabobohan n gngwa nya sating bansa.. lagi n lang pinag-iinitan si GMA.

sa lahat ng nangyayaring ito.. Nasaan si PNOY?

isa lang ang malinaw.. lahat ng gawing desisyon ng anumang sangay ng Administrasyong Aquino ay tiyak na may go signal o sinasang-ayunan niya... hindi maaring saluhin o sarilinin lamang ni De Lima ang desisyong ito lalo't siya ay nakapailalim sa kasalukuyang Administrasyon.

andun na tayo..mali ang DOJ,mali si de Lima..pero ang mahirap kasi, asan ba tayo? nasa Pilipinas tayo, anong meron sa Pilipinas? DEMOCRACY..

and define Democracy - a form of government in which all adult citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law. It can also encompass social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

ibig sabihin sa gobyernong meron tayo..lahat may say,walang sinisino, lahat pwedeng magsalita, lahat pwedeng kontrahin kahit sino ka pa na nasa pwesto.

yes, those who refused to enforce the court's ruling risked being charged with contempt, punishable by six months in prison

kaso ang taong mapagmahal sa demokrasya walang pakialam sa 6-month imprisonment..hehehe..  :D

ang kaibahan ni GMA sa mga ex-president na pinayagang magpagamot sa ibang bansa is..sila pinayagan dahil hindi naman kainitan ng kaso na ibinibintang sa kanila unlike kay GMA, andun sya sa sitwasyon na parang anytime pede sya masampahan ng kaso at maipakulong..

siguro kailangan lng natn ng konting pang-unawa sa gustong mangyari ng gobyerno..una sa lahat..isa sa plataporma ni PNoy ay yung maparusahan ang lahat ng dapat parusahan..yun ang pangako nya sa sambayanang Pilipino..at dahil dun ibinoto sya ng sambayanang Pilipino..

wag natin masyadong personalin, (cguro part na rin nun ang personal na galit,hindi ko alam) pero hindi ba't nakakatuwa na ang plataporma at pangakong binitawan nuon ni PNoy ay pinipilit nyang tuparin at gawin..lagi ntn sinasabi na yang mga pulitiko,puro pangako lng yan pero lahat napapako..ayan na,anjan si Pnoy na pinipilit tuparin ang ipinangako nya..ngayon pano matutupad yun kung wala yung suspect,hehe..

^hay naku Vir... ang masasabi ko na lang.. asan na ang kaso kay GMA? pag nai-file na saka natin ulit pagtalunan ang mga bintang sa kanya. sa ngayon ang pag-usapan muna natin ay kung makatarungan ba na pigilan ang isang tao na magpagamot sa ibang bansa o umalis ng bansa kung wala namang kasong kinakaharap.. makatarungan ba na suwayin ang utos ng kataas-taasang hukom?

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Kahapon, walang quorum sa Congress dahil maraming hindi dumating. Ang dahilan pala, pinipilit ng Malakanyang ang mga miyembro ng Liberal Party na pumirma ng isang petisyon na sumusuporta kay De Lima at Noynoy sa kanilang adhikaing pigilin si GMA na makaalis ng bansa, kahit na meron ng TRO ang Korte Suprema. Kesa sa pirmahan ang petisyon ito, minabuti ng nakararami na huwag na lang dumalo ng sesyon.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011%2Fnovember%2F17%2Fnews2.isx&d=2011%2Fnovember%2F17

hahaha..ang masasabi ko lng din..mahirap pla talagang maging abogado..

naubusan na ko ng dahilan para ipagtanggol ang kabilang panig..eh parang umatras na rin pala mga kaalyansa ko,di na rin pla umatend ng sesyon..hahaha  ;D

biset!..talo na naman ang kaso ko..hahaha..

Quote from: vir on November 17, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
hahaha..ang masasabi ko lng din..mahirap pla talagang maging abogado..

naubusan na ko ng dahilan para ipagtanggol ang kabilang panig..eh parang umatras na rin pala mga kaalyansa ko,di na rin pla umatend ng sesyon..hahaha  ;D

biset!..talo na naman ang kaso ko..hahaha..

hehe.. maloko...

hahaha..panggulo lng..pansin ko kasi parepareho kau ng insights about this..e xempre pano magiging debate kung walang kontra..

..at talagang walang kumampi saken,hahaha..  ;D

magsama kayong lahat..joke!  :D

if you can't beat us.. join us! lol! ;D

siguro mas mauunawaan natin ang sitwasyon kung aalaman natin ang istruktura ng gobyerno. Tatlo kasi ang sangay nito na magkakapantay-pantay: executive, legislative at judiciary. Bagama't gusto ng executive branch na pigilin si GMA na umalis, at pwede naman ayon sa judiciary, last resort na nila siguro na kumbinsihin ang legislative -- para 2-1, hehe. Kung di man bumalik si arroyo pag-alis niya ng bansa, maaaring partly kasalanan natin dahil hinahayaan lang nating tratuhin tayo ng ganito. Sa tingin ko lang ah, kahit hatulan si gloria, mapapatawad at mapapatawad natin siya. Ganun naman tayo eh, grabe ang dali makalimot. Si erap nga, convicted plunderer pero 2nd pa sa 2010 elections. Grabe. Si marcos pa na halos sinaid ang kaban ng bayan, hindi naman nakulong. Si gloria pa kaya?! Masaklap lang talaga hindi nag-a-apply dito ang legal maxim na: dura lex, sed lex meaning "mahigpit ang batas, pero yun ang batas". Ang mga batas natin ay para lang sa sumusunod, pero pwede ka ring di sumunod. So para saan pa?

wat will u feel kung ikaw ang nasa lagay ni gloria?

matanda na at may sakit kahit magtago yan sa ibang bansa mamatay din yan


ang taas na hahatol jan sa kasalanan niya..

kung si LORD nakapagpatawad.. tayo pa kaya TAO lang..

eh ano ngayon kung tumakas siya bakit ano ba akala nila pag na convict siya makukulong talaga siya? i papardon din siya kasi knowing how filipino thinks hindi papayag mga yun na makulong si GMA like what happened to Erap lalo na babae pa man din siya.

Quote from: otipeps on November 18, 2011, 12:57:56 AM
eh ano ngayon kung tumakas siya bakit ano ba akala nila pag na convict siya makukulong talaga siya? i papardon din siya kasi knowing how filipino thinks hindi papayag mga yun na makulong si GMA like what happened to Erap lalo na babae pa man din siya.

well, sa term ni Aquino? i doubt kung mapa-pardon siya.. kung susumahin kasi, napaka-laki ng galit ng mga Aquino kay Gloria dahil sa dami ng mga pabor na hindi pinagbigyan ng noo'y pangulong Arroyo, at mga desisyong nakasakit ng husto sa kanila.

Quote from: judE_Law on November 17, 2011, 08:44:05 PM
if you can't beat us.. join us! lol! ;D

kung jumoin agad ako,e di walang nangyaring debate,hahaha..

tama kayong lahat,abangan natin ang mga susunod na kabanata..

to XPGMA

sulat ka sa wish ko lang or IMBESTIGADOR

nagmamahal BAJUY  :D

Quote from: bajuy on November 18, 2011, 12:13:57 AM
wat will u feel kung ikaw ang nasa lagay ni gloria?

matanda na at may sakit kahit magtago yan sa ibang bansa mamatay din yan


ang taas na hahatol jan sa kasalanan niya..

kung si LORD nakapagpatawad.. tayo pa kaya TAO lang..

sobrang mahabang usapin ito. pero naniniwala ako na hindi dapat pinaghahalo ang awa sa tao at awa sa bayan. kaya nga may secularization clause tayo sa Saligang Batas eh, though hindi nasasaad dito na ang paniniwala natin tungkol sa pagpapatawad ay sasaklawin ng batas ng tao. in short, iba ang batas ng Diyos sa batas ng tao.

(disclaimer: hindi po ito war of religions, please don't be misread)

>>ia-activate ko na yung adik mode ko<<
as i was saying, let me give you a glimpse in world history. France in the medieval times were so predominantly Catholic, they believed that the priests are the Lord on earth; and so, they have worshiped the Lord on earth as if they were the Lord in heaven. in addition, the royal family and the nobility, as well as the clergy, were particularly extravagant and lavish while there is widespread famine. if the people of France would have consumed and tolerated this kind of inequality and relied on the heavens for piety to themselves, they might not be esteemed for being one of the pioneers of democratic form of government.

and i don't apostatize in my thoughts when there is a conflict between divine and human law. i uphold my faith in everyday life. but what is happening right now does not correspond with compassion, it is derision of our human values.

^dahil adik ka pong.. dapat kasama ka sa Katol Boys.. hahaha...


grabe, the current admin is so pathetic!
minadali talaga ang pagsasampa ng kaso.. after 2 days lang matapos ang TRO ng SC sa WLO,  biglang nagkaroon ng kaso kay GMA.. hahahaha...

The Supreme Court en banc denied the motion of consideration filed by the Department of Justice thru the Office of Solicitor General today, thereby allowing the TRO to be implemented immediately... Ganyan kabilis ang hustisya kapag mga mayaman at makapangyarihan ang humahanap neto, pero pag ordinaryong mamamayan.. taon ang binibilang.. So kapag nakaalis ang pekeng dating pangulo.. dapat ang makulong sa mga kaso ni GMA eh ung 8 Justices na bumoto para sa TRO!

In the public debate, it's as if we are torn between two extremes: the legalistic, wherein we take Arroyo's word without inquiring into her truthfulness, and the common sense, wherein we recall all the times she cried wolf and evaded justice. That is a false dilemma. There is enough law to vindicate common sense. All that's needed is the audacity to vindicate justice.

One, there are "discrepancies" in Arroyo's versions of her medical condition. Initially, her doctor certifies that she has "metabolic bone disease." The day after, a second doctor says that the "she may require a bone biopsy" to determine if she has that disease. Two days later, her third doctor's medical abstract doesn't mention the disease at all. Four days later, her doctors brief Health Secretary Enrique Ona without mentioning the disease at all, and instead speak of another problem, hypoparathyroidism.

Gloria's itinerary includes non-medical meetings: in New York for the Clinton Global Initiative and in Geneva for the International Commission against the Death Penalty. The DOJ asks: How can someone so sick have the energy for such meetings—"unless of course the medical treatment ... is not entirely necessary and urgent"? Stated plainly, you saw her photo with the neck braces and other contraptions, so will she shake hands with Bill Clinton wearing that brace?

the Supreme Court itself has ruled that the right to travel is not absolute. The Court has upheld the power of the Presidential Commission on Good Government to issue hold-departure orders against "persons [who are] known or suspected to be involved" as Marcos cronies. Yet that power was not explicitly granted in the PCGG's charter, and was merely implied from its power "to conduct investigation" and "restrain any [act] that may render moot and academic, or frustrate or otherwise make ineffectual [its] efforts."

If Arroyo goes to a non-extradition state and insists on staying for as long as she claims is medically necessary, Philippine courts become powerless to bring her before the bar of justice. Since all complaints against her are non-bailable, her promise to return, says the DOJ, "without any form of guarantee whatsoever is practically worthless." "The attainment of justice cannot depend on such flimsy guarantees . . . her mere say-so that she will return, when the temptation to simply escape" stares us in the face.


sakit na ng ulo ko.... minasn lang yan hehe..... no more comments. nabadtrip lang ako kay arroyo! pasenxa na!

sorry napindot ko yung line! hahahaha!

^^galit na si jaz LOLs

Quote from: judE_Law on November 18, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
^dahil adik ka pong.. dapat kasama ka sa Katol Boys.. hahaha...

Robitussin Boy ako hehe

haha! minsan lang naman maging ganito ako.... minsan lang umatake yang mga ganyang idea ko. =)

teka bibili lang ako ng tissue... sobra dami ng tulo... ng dugo sa ilong ko

tumilamsik pa nga eh. sumisirit. grabe

teka lang? anong meron? hahahaha! may sanib ako!

nakalanghap ka ng rugby, katol, shabu at robitussin all-in

nakakahawa ka lang... grabe ang epekto nyan! haha!

hippie ito. LSD ang tinitira ko LOL

at nakaka-high na rin pag matagal ka nang kaong LOLs

masaya ako in a sense na may kaso na si GMA at matutuloy na ang tamang proseso na gusto kong mangyari..nakakaawa lng rin yung sitwasyon nya ngayon na parang nagkasabay sabay pa ang kamalasan..

sana maging maayos ang takbo ng lahat para maliwanagan na rin ako kung totoo nga ba ang binibintang kay Gloria o hindi..ayoko kasi maniwala agad sa mga sabi sabi at opinyon ng nakararami o ng media..i want to know the truth na may basehan..

pagdasal nlng natin ang paggaling ni GMA,nakakaawa rin kasi talaga..pero sabi nga ni Honorable Pong "naniniwala ako na hindi dapat pinaghahalo ang awa sa tao at awa sa bayan"

Para sa akin, karapatan ni GMA malapatan ng akmang lunas sa kanyang karamdaman. Karapatan ni GMA kung sinong manggagamot ang pipiliin niya. Inherent right ika nga.

Quote from: vir on November 18, 2011, 05:48:39 PM
masaya ako in a sense na may kaso na si GMA at matutuloy na ang tamang proseso na gusto kong mangyari..nakakaawa lng rin yung sitwasyon nya ngayon na parang nagkasabay sabay pa ang kamalasan..

sana maging maayos ang takbo ng lahat para maliwanagan na rin ako kung totoo nga ba ang binibintang kay Gloria o hindi..ayoko kasi maniwala agad sa mga sabi sabi at opinyon ng nakararami o ng media..i want to know the truth na may basehan..

pagdasal nlng natin ang paggaling ni GMA,nakakaawa rin kasi talaga..pero sabi nga ni Honorable Pong "naniniwala ako na hindi dapat pinaghahalo ang awa sa tao at awa sa bayan"

ako'y nagdududa kung katotohanan din pa ang iyong hanap.. hehehe...

marami kasi nagsasabi, katotohanan daw.. pero once napawalang sala si gma, am sure sasabihin nila kakampi kasi nila o nabayaran ang korte... endless.... sabagay, she's been judge guilty noon pa man ng publiko, kahit di pa proven guilty.. aantayin na lang ang hatol na korte na inaasahang magsa-satisfy sa mob. tsk! tsk!

sos mga politikong yan pare pareho naman kung makapang husga kala mo ang lilinis di pa lang kasi sila nahuhuli iba talaga pag nakaupo ka sa malakanyang lahat ng baho mo nahahalungkat

kasi naman bakit ka gagastos ng milyon milyon sa pangangampanya kundi mo rin babawiin.

Quote from: ctan on November 18, 2011, 06:15:29 PM
Para sa akin, karapatan ni GMA malapatan ng akmang lunas sa kanyang karamdaman. Karapatan ni GMA kung sinong manggagamot ang pipiliin niya. Inherent right ika nga.

Bago ang lahat, ano nga ba ang mga karapatan? Kailangan ba nating suriing maigi kung entitled siya sa karapatan na iyon? Siguro. Maaaring tama ka, Doc. Nguni't ano bang rights meron siya? Isa-isahin natin:

1) right to health care - ok, karapatan yan ng bawat tao. Pero malama't sa malamang nabigyan ba niya ang mga mamamayan ng gayunding karapatan? Ano ba ang malaman niya na halos walang bulak ang mga health center sa liblib na lugar? Ano ba ang malaman niya na swerte ang taong nakaka-survive sa public hospital, o kaya swerte kung asistehin ka ng doktor?! Ano ba ang malaman niya na nae-expire ang gamot sa DOH, na magkalat ang pekeng gamot, na mamatayan ng kamag-anak dahil sinusupil niya ang karapatan na iyon sa mismong nasasakupan niya? Palibhasa, mayaman siya, may pera siya, pwedeng-pwede siyang mamili ng ospital na gagamot sa kanya? Aba, ang swerte naman! Sana kami rin, tayo rin, may karapatan sa ganyan bagay: kaso, mahal magpaospital. At minsan, hindi pa ilalabas ang bangkay ng namatayang mahal sa buhay dahil may utang pa sa ospital.

2) human rights, in general - siya ba ay tao sa tingin niya? Aba, tao pala siya! Alam ba niya ang empathy? Ang golden rule? Alam ba niya ang pakiramdam na mahilo sa gutom? Ang pakiramdam na ma-hit and run? Oh well, pagkapanganak naman niya hindi naman niya nararanasan ang hirap ng katawan eh. Sige na, may damdamin siya. May puso siya. May wisdom nga siya eh. Economics grad pa nga siya sa Ateneo, pero umigi ba ang ekonomiya? Pagpalagay natin na TAMA ang ginagawa niya sa tingin niya, hindi ba siya nahihindik na maraming galit sa kanya? Pagpalagay natin na ganun ang UPBRINGING sa kanya ng magulang niyang ewan na nagpa-dekontrol ng piso sa dolyar, nagpalaya ng isang banyagang kriminal; wala ba siyang malay na mali ang turo sa kanya ng magulang niya? At ngayon, nanghihingi siya ng karapatan? Nanghihingi siya ng respeto? Ng kaukulang paggalang? Ginalang ba niya tayo? Nirespeto ba niya tayo? Pinamihasa ba niya tayo sa mga karapatan na nasasaad sa Konstitusyon? Kung tingin mo, oo, ako HINDI.

At hindi ko sukat akalain na ganyan ang opinyon niyo hinggil dito. Yun lang :) Pax vobiscum.

una, ang mga inilatag ni gma na karapatan, ay karapatan na mayroon ka rin at ang bawat Pilipino, ikaw din maari kang pumili ng taong gagamot sayo kung iyong nanaisin  lalo na kung may sapat kang pera para gawin ito... kung wala naman, 'wag mong isisi ito kay Gloria.. Ano na ba ang nagawa ng kasalukuyang Administrasyon para sa'yo Pong?

si gma ay hindi ordinaryong mamayan lamang, dati siyang pangulo at ngayo'y halal na kongresista ng mga mamayan ng Pampanga...
kung hindi pa sapat sayo ang listahang ito :

Accomplishments:
http://www.philippinecountry.com/philippine_presidents/President_arroyo/accomplishments.html

Initiatives:
http://www.philippinecountry.com/philippine_presidents/President_arroyo/initiatives.html

Achievements:
http://www.thepoc.net/blogwatch-features/9287.html


sa mga nagawa niya, ano pa ang gusto mong hingin sa kanya? gaya nga ng sabi mo.. tao lang din siya... wag mong hingin ang alam mo na imposible..

its sad na sa dinami-dami ng nagawa niya, mas binigyan pansin ang mga bintang ng katiwalian, na hanggang sa ngayon ay hindi pa napapatunayan.
sa kaso ni gma, hindi madali ang maging anak ng dating pangulo.. at lalo na ang pantayan o higitan pa ang nagawa ng iyong ama.
kung ikaw si gloria, hindi mo nanaising mabahiran o madungisan ang magagandang bagay na iniwan ng iyong ama.

Ang hirap sa marami sa ating mga Pilipino, lahat iniaasa at isinisisi sa Gobyerno...
ang kanilang pagiging mahirap, ang hindi nakapagtapos ng pag-aaral, ang pagkakaroon ng sakit, ang hindi makakain ng tatlong beses sa isang araw...
ako, nagmula sa mahirap.. pero kailanman hindi ako o ang Pamilya ko umasa o sinisi ang Gobyerno.
tumayo kami sa sarili naming paa, nagsikap, nag-aral mabuti para makapagtapos ng pag--aaral.
ngayong nagta-trabaho na ako, kinakaltasan ng malaki sa tax ng gobyerno, na ni minsa'y hindi nakatulong sa pag-angat ng kalidad ng buhay ko.
sino ang mas may karapatang magreklamo? ang mga mahihirap na sa araw-araw na ginawa ng Diyos ay nagbi-binggo?
ang mga mahihirap na sinusunog ang baga sa alak at sigarilyo tas isisi sa gobyerno pag walang maibigay na libreng gamot o pagpapagamot?
kung ganyan ang pananaw nating lahat, ngayon pa lang masasabi ko, lulubog at lulubog ang bansang ito!
huwag mo ng antayin ang gobyerno ang magbangon sayo.. iahon mo ang sarili mo.
sa huli naniniwala pa rin ako sa kasabihang "nasa Diyos ang awa, nasa tao ang gawa".


judE_Law po for President! lol! ;D

^^nais ko lang liwanagin ang naging punto ko. Ikinukumpara ko lang ang hinihingi niyang karapatan at ang mga karapatang siniil niya nung siya'y nanunungkulan. Marahil, mali nga na siya lang ang pagbuntunan ko ng galit sa mga sakit ng lipunan. Ngayon kung may mga nagawa siya ay yun lang ay kanyang tungkulin. Sineswelduhan siya ng Estado, na siya naman nating sinusuportahan sa pamamagitan ng pagbabayad ng buwis. Hindi ko isinasatinig ang mga mahihirap na wala namang ginagawang maigi sa pag-unlad ng bansa, ngunit ang totoo'y hindi rin sila mahihikayat na makipagtulungan para rito hangga't walang malinaw na proyekto ang gobyerno. The government should control the people and the people should control the government. Kung gusto niyang pangalagaan ang pangalan na iningat-ingatan nila, hindi na dapat nila inabuso ang kapangyarihan. Maaaring walang-saysay din ang mga nasasabi ko, siguro masyado akong nagpapaniwala sa mga balitaktakan ng mga kritiko ng media, ngunit ito ay base na rin sa pagmamasid nitong mga nakalipas na taon. Sa huli, naniniwala ako na may kontribusyon ang kainaman ng gobyerno sa ugali at pagdadahilan ng tao ngunit batid kong hindi iyon ang tanging batayan. Isa rin itong mahabang usapin na sasaklaw hindi lang sa nangyayari sa kanya kundi sa lumalalang sakit ng lipunan. Masyado tayong nagpapadala sa sakit niya ngunit wala tayong kapaki-pakialam sa sakit ng bansa. Kung siya man ay mahahatulan ng korte, marahil hindi na niya nanaising mabuhay pa, at tingin ko yun lang ang magiging vindication ko. Uulitin ko, hindi dapat pinaghahalo ang awa sa tao at awa sa bayan. At hindi tayong pwedeng maawa lang nang maawa, kailangan nating sumulong, umaksyon, makiisa.

Maraming sakit ang Pilipinas, pero walang gustong gumamot. -Bob Ong

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ANG HAHABA NG MGA REPLY NYO SIMPLA LANG NAMAN TANONG YES OR NO!

kailangan nobela ang sagot? hahaha peace  ;D

Quote from: judE_Law on November 18, 2011, 08:39:42 PM

Quote from: vir on November 18, 2011, 05:48:39 PM
masaya ako in a sense na may kaso na si GMA at matutuloy na ang tamang proseso na gusto kong mangyari..nakakaawa lng rin yung sitwasyon nya ngayon na parang nagkasabay sabay pa ang kamalasan..

sana maging maayos ang takbo ng lahat para maliwanagan na rin ako kung totoo nga ba ang binibintang kay Gloria o hindi..ayoko kasi maniwala agad sa mga sabi sabi at opinyon ng nakararami o ng media..i want to know the truth na may basehan..

pagdasal nlng natin ang paggaling ni GMA,nakakaawa rin kasi talaga..pero sabi nga ni Honorable Pong "naniniwala ako na hindi dapat pinaghahalo ang awa sa tao at awa sa bayan"

ako'y nagdududa kung katotohanan din pa ang iyong hanap.. hehehe...

marami kasi nagsasabi, katotohanan daw.. pero once napawalang sala si gma, am sure sasabihin nila kakampi kasi nila o nabayaran ang korte... endless.... sabagay, she's been judge guilty noon pa man ng publiko, kahit di pa proven guilty.. aantayin na lang ang hatol na korte na inaasahang magsa-satisfy sa mob. tsk! tsk!

totoo yan!..yan ang realidad sa ating bansa..kung ganyan man ang mangyari at maging issue in the end..tulad ng sabi ko,ang pananaw ko ay hindi nanggagaling sa desisyon,opinyon at sabi sabi ng nakararami..gusto ko muna makita at mapagaralan ang mga ebidensyang ilalatag (bilang manunuod)..at kung sa huli ay mapawalang sala nga sya at sabihing nabayaran ang korte..bahala sila,ang mahalaga sa akin,narinig ko at nakita ko ang takbo ng kaso at mula doon,dun ko masasabi sa sarili ko kung totoo nga ba o hindi ang mga ibinibintang sa kanya.. hahaha..pasensya frustrated lawyer/judge eh!..

wala ako tiwala sa judicial system ng Pilipinas,like what you said..pwedeng mabayaran ang korte..pero bilang Pilipino andun pa rin ang hope ko na maging maayos ito..

at yun lng din ang hangad ko kung bakit di ako pabor sa pag-alis ni GMA..dahil gusto kong masigurado na bago sya mahusgahan ay sana dumaan ang lahat sa tamang proseso ng paglilitis..at gusto ko rin sya bigyan ng pagkakataon na maipagtanggol ang sarili nya,at marinig ang side ng kampo nya..kasi all this time,sa dami ng ibinibintang sa kanya,hindi sya nagsasalita about dun..never sya ngcomment,walang confirmation, walang pagdeny..

un lang,gusto ko marinig ang boses nya, dahil lahat ng paratang ng administrasyon narinig ko na..kaya please wag nyo sya paalisin..wag yan papasukin sa airport,hahaha..for once..please hayaan natin na harapin nya ito..

meron akong premonition na isa ito sa mainit na usapin sa EB.

Quote from: pong on November 19, 2011, 01:25:38 AM
^^nais ko lang liwanagin ang naging punto ko. Ikinukumpara ko lang ang hinihingi niyang karapatan at ang mga karapatang siniil niya nung siya'y nanunungkulan. Marahil, mali nga na siya lang ang pagbuntunan ko ng galit sa mga sakit ng lipunan. Ngayon kung may mga nagawa siya ay yun lang ay kanyang tungkulin. Sineswelduhan siya ng Estado, na siya naman nating sinusuportahan sa pamamagitan ng pagbabayad ng buwis. Hindi ko isinasatinig ang mga mahihirap na wala namang ginagawang maigi sa pag-unlad ng bansa, ngunit ang totoo'y hindi rin sila mahihikayat na makipagtulungan para rito hangga't walang malinaw na proyekto ang gobyerno. The government should control the people and the people should control the government. Kung gusto niyang pangalagaan ang pangalan na iningat-ingatan nila, hindi na dapat nila inabuso ang kapangyarihan. Maaaring walang-saysay din ang mga nasasabi ko, siguro masyado akong nagpapaniwala sa mga balitaktakan ng mga kritiko ng media, ngunit ito ay base na rin sa pagmamasid nitong mga nakalipas na taon. Sa huli, naniniwala ako na may kontribusyon ang kainaman ng gobyerno sa ugali at pagdadahilan ng tao ngunit batid kong hindi iyon ang tanging batayan. Isa rin itong mahabang usapin na sasaklaw hindi lang sa nangyayari sa kanya kundi sa lumalalang sakit ng lipunan. Masyado tayong nagpapadala sa sakit niya ngunit wala tayong kapaki-pakialam sa sakit ng bansa. Kung siya man ay mahahatulan ng korte, marahil hindi na niya nanaising mabuhay pa, at tingin ko yun lang ang magiging vindication ko. Uulitin ko, hindi dapat pinaghahalo ang awa sa tao at awa sa bayan. At hindi tayong pwedeng maawa lang nang maawa, kailangan nating sumulong, umaksyon, makiisa.

Maraming sakit ang Pilipinas, pero walang gustong gumamot. -Bob Ong

^ wow! parang tunog PNOY, "kayo ang boss ko..." hahahaha....

pero 'wag na muna tayong lumayo sa isyu ng usaping ito... hindi naman nakakapagtaka kung bakit nahati ang pananaw ng mga Pilipino sa ginawa ng DOJ.
ang iba, kahit alam nilang mali ang desisyon at pagpupumilit ng DOJ, dala ng emosyon at galit nila kay Arroyo, ipinipilit nila na okay lang kalabanin ng pamahalaan ang Kataas-taasang Hukuman. sa tingin mo tama ba yun?


matanong ko lang, paano mo huhubugin ang kinabukasan ng bansa... kung may isang bata na magtatanong sa'yo nito...

"bakit po ayaw payagang umalis ng bansa ang dating pangulo, ano po ba ang ginawa niyang mali?"

maaaring lumayo ako sa usapin, sir. Pero tinitingnan ko ang problema sa isang mas malaki na pananaw. In a larger perspective ika nga, or in an other angle.

Alam kong insolente ang ginawa ng DOJ at Malacañang nitong mga nakaraang araw. Yun nga lang, tanggapin natin na ganun ang istruktura ng pamahalaan. Ngunit kung susuriin, hindi na kagalang-galang ang SC dahil nabahiran na ito ng bias o kung hindi man, sila rin lang ang nagpapatupad ng mga batas na walang katuturan.

Kung ako'y tatanungin ng anak ko, ikukuwento ko sa kanya yun ng buong detalye. Pero ang ideal eh hindi dapat ini-stress ang bata sa mga walang kwentang balita.

Siguro nga nalihis ako ng sobra sa topic. Ang point ko lang, fiat justitia ruat caelum.

Quote from: pong on November 19, 2011, 08:57:10 AM
maaaring lumayo ako sa usapin, sir. Pero tinitingnan ko ang problema sa isang mas malaki na pananaw. In a larger perspective ika nga, or in an other angle.

Alam kong ins

olente ang ginawa ng DOJ at Malacañang nitong mga nakaraang araw. Yun nga lang, tanggapin natin na ganun ang istruktura ng pamahalaan. Ngunit kung susuriin, hindi na kagalang-galang ang SC dahil nabahiran na ito ng bias o kung hindi man, sila rin lang ang nagpapatupad ng mga batas na walang katuturan.

Kung ako'y tatanungin ng anak ko, ikukuwento ko sa kanya yun ng buong detalye. Pero ang ideal eh hindi dapat ini-stress ang bata sa mga walang kwentang balita.

Siguro nga nalihis ako ng sobra sa topic. Ang point ko lang, fiat justitia ruat caelum.

hahaha... inamin mong insolente ang ginawa ng DOJ.. tapos tanggapin na lang ng ganun-ganun yun? dahil ba ang taong nasa lugar at naiipit ay taong iyong kinamumuhian? lubaha na ngang malala ang sakit ng Lipunang ito... kung sa simpleng usapin ay hindi natin alam kung ano ang tunay na "matuwid" at "nararapat".

gusto kong malaman kung ano ang eksaktong iyong sasabihin sa bata na nagtatanong.. please...

Quote from: pong on November 19, 2011, 08:28:15 AM
meron akong premonition na isa ito sa mainit na usapin sa EB.

hmmm... pwede.. hehehe..
pero hindi rin.. parang sa mga EB wala pa kaming pinag-usapan about politics or religion...
more on kamustahan talaga, saka yung mga kalokohan na pinagpo-post dito... hehe.. OT ako, sorry.

Quote from: judE_Law on November 19, 2011, 09:00:42 AM
hahaha... inamin mong insolente ang ginawa ng DOJ.. tapos tanggapin na lang ng ganun-ganun yun? dahil ba ang taong nasa lugar at naiipit ay taong iyong kinamumuhian? lubaha na ngang malala ang sakit ng Lipunang ito... kung sa simpleng usapin ay hindi natin alam kung ano ang tunay na "matuwid" at "nararapat".

All the while, I've been trying to be reasonable in my own judgments: but certainly, my judgment may not be reasonable to others. Hehehe... Hindi ako namumuhi kay GMA at hindi rin ako nagtatatalon sa tuwa dahil YEHEY MAKUKULONG NA SIYA WAHAHAHAHA. Ngunit sa pagsusuri, wala akong makitang bagay para maawa ako sa kanya. Isa itong malaking hakbang para mahuli na rin ang iba pang kawatan na gumahasa at gumagahasa sa ating patrimonya. Ano nga ba ang matuwid at nararapat? Due process? Ano pa ba ang kailangan nating malaman? Sa totoo lang, sir, bilang mamamayan ng Pilipinas dapat tayong maging mapagmasid sa mga nangyayari pero sana, wag tayong paapekto dito. Huwag. Binulalas ko lang yung point of view ko. Ginagalang ko ang inyong mga rason, kaya lang may ibang katuwiran na hindi makatuwiran sa ibang pandinig, sa ibang pag-iisip, at ibang pagkatao. Kung mali ang Malacanang, eh di mali sila. Pero paano nga ba ang tama? Na paalisin siya at huwag nang bumalik? Na huwag supilin ang karapatan niyang magpagamot? Yun ba ang matuwid at makatuwiran? At hindi rin ako sang-ayon sa mga kababawan ni P-Noy dahil isa rin niya akong kritiko. Kaya lang, ano po ba sa tingin niyo ang dapat?

Quote from: judE_Law on November 19, 2011, 09:00:42 AM
gusto kong malaman kung ano ang eksaktong iyong sasabihin sa bata na nagtatanong.. please...

Ganito ang magiging kuwentuhan namin:
Meowie (yep, palayaw ng magiging anak ko :3 ): Tatay, bakit po ayaw paalisin si Gloria?
Pong: eh kasi, baka hindi na siya bumalik.
Meowie: eh sabi po niya babalik daw siya.
Pong: sabi lang niya yun, halimbawa may kalaro ka. sabi niya maglalaro kayo, pero hindi na nakipaglaro. anong gagawin mo?
Meowie: iiyak po, kasi sinungaling siya.
Pong: eh paano pag kinuha lahat ng laruan mo. pati yung toy piano mo kinuha. gusto mo bang kanya na yun?
Meowie: hindi po. bakit po kumuha ba siya ng toys?
Pong: marahil, pero hindi pa natin alam. pero yung toy piano mo tinutugtog na sa bahay ng kalaro mo. magagalit ka ba sa kanya?
Meowie: opo, tapos po kukunin ko po ulit. o kaya isusumbong ko po sa nanay niya.
Pong: paano kung ayaw isoli ng nanay niya?
Meowie: eh di pupunta po ako sa bahay niya, at kukunin ko
Pong: pero hindi ka nagpaalam. bad yun. malay mo pareho lang kayo ng toy piano.
Meowie: alam ko po, Tay, na akin yun. sama na lang po kayo sa akin pag kukunin na natin yung toy piano.
Pong: sige, tapos, hindi tayo aalis pag di natin naibalik yung toy piano mo. pero paano pag sinabi ng kalaro mo na kaya niya yun kinuha kasi meron siyang sakit?
Meowie: eh Tay, bad po yung ginawa niya eh. palalaruin ko na lang po siya dito sa bahay. pero akin po yun.
Pong: oo, anak. tulog ka na :)


nonsense siguro ginawa ko. ewan ko lang O_O

basta hindi makatarungan..

naaliw ako sa script mo prof. pong..hehe..i think we're on the same track..  :D

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Quote from: judE_Law on November 19, 2011, 09:00:42 AM
gusto kong malaman kung ano ang eksaktong iyong sasabihin sa bata na nagtatanong.. please...

Ganito ang magiging kuwentuhan namin:
Meowie (yep, palayaw ng magiging anak ko :3 ): Tatay, bakit po ayaw paalisin si Gloria?
Pong: eh kasi, baka hindi na siya bumalik.
Meowie: eh sabi po niya babalik daw siya.
Pong: sabi lang niya yun, halimbawa may kalaro ka. sabi niya maglalaro kayo, pero hindi na nakipaglaro. anong gagawin mo?
Meowie: iiyak po, kasi sinungaling siya.
Pong: eh paano pag kinuha lahat ng laruan mo. pati yung toy piano mo kinuha. gusto mo bang kanya na yun?
Meowie: hindi po. bakit po kumuha ba siya ng toys?
Pong: marahil, pero hindi pa natin alam. pero yung toy piano mo tinutugtog na sa bahay ng kalaro mo. magagalit ka ba sa kanya?
Meowie: opo, tapos po kukunin ko po ulit. o kaya isusumbong ko po sa nanay niya.
Pong: paano kung ayaw isoli ng nanay niya?
Meowie: eh di pupunta po ako sa bahay niya, at kukunin ko
Pong: pero hindi ka nagpaalam. bad yun. malay mo pareho lang kayo ng toy piano.
Meowie: alam ko po, Tay, na akin yun. sama na lang po kayo sa akin pag kukunin na natin yung toy piano.
Pong: sige, tapos, hindi tayo aalis pag di natin naibalik yung toy piano mo. pero paano pag sinabi ng kalaro mo na kaya niya yun kinuha kasi meron siyang sakit?
Meowie: eh Tay, bad po yung ginawa niya eh. palalaruin ko na lang po siya dito sa bahay. pero akin po yun.
Pong: oo, anak. tulog ka na :)


nonsense siguro ginawa ko. ewan ko lang O_O

base sa isinagot mo sa anak mo... malinaw na hinusgahan mo na ang kanyang kalaro...
malay mo ba kung pinagbawalan na ng tatay niya din na lumabas ng bahay kaya di na bumalik?
naiintindihan ba natin kung ano itinatanim natin sa isipan ng mga bata? malinaw na hindi pa nagaganap ang isang bagay, hinusgahan na natin.

sasagot ako dito. wait. hahaha. mamaya pag nakauwi na lang ng bahay. :-)

Meron bang miyembro ng PGG na eksperto sa Batas??

ako naman'y opinyon ko lang din ang ibinabahagi ko, pero para magkaroon tayo ng mas malawak o malalim na kaalaman kaugnay ng isyu.. sa kung tama ba ang ginawa ng DOJ.. Mainam na panoorin natin ito..

Clip from DZMM Teleradyo (November 19, 2011)
Interview Phonepatch with Fr. Ranhillo Aquino, Dean Graduate School of Law, San Beda College.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ekZM24Afc

may 12 units of law ako pero hindi rin ako expert. Hindi ko pa napapanood yung phone patch. Alam kong mali ang DOJ sa pagsuway sa SC, hindi nagbigay ng equal protection clause, constitutional rights etc etc.

Ano ba ang gusto nating mangyari? Mapagamot siya? Umalis ng bansa? Lumusog? Mabuhay nang marangal kasi karapatan niya yun? At karapatan rin pala ng bawat Presidente ng Pilipinas at lahat ng mga lingkod-bayan na abusuhin ang kapangyarihan, waldasin ang kaban ng bayan sa bisa ng pork barrel na hindi subject to audit, at manood ng laban ni Manny Pacquiao sa Amerika?

Hindi ko po kayo nire-rebuke. Tingin ko simula't simula pa may loophole ang batas. Na pwedeng laruin din ng mga abogado at mga taong nakakaintindi nito. Yehey!

^okay, wala na pala tayong dapat pagtalunan kaugnay ng isyu.

sorry lowbat pa ko... hahaha! shot pa! 48 hrs gising!  :P

I'd like to share one good column I've read just recently:

The law - for what, and for whom?
- Jose Ma. Montelibano, Philippine Daily Inquirer, November 20, 2011

It was expected, of course, that the Supreme Court would allow Gloria and Mike Arroyo to travel abroad. The reason, of course, would be made to appear legal. The very appointment of the Chief Justice was legal no matter how unethical in the view of most at that time. And the opportunity to be a Chief Justice was too much to pass up for whatever reason even if it he could have opted not to accept it and wait for an elected president just about to take his oath to offer it to him.

The question of what is constitutional or what is ethical will continue to hound not our legal order but our very value system. What is dangerous, and quite revolting, is when what is considered legal overrides what is moral or ethical. When this happens, and in my view it does when one considers the controversial decisions the Supreme Court has made in recent years, the law provides a protective cover for wrongdoing.

It is not surprising that a society so deeply steeped in personality dynamics will occasionally, or frequently, find itself in situations that reveals the hypocrisy of our political and justice system. After all, adopting democracy as the form of our government does not mean that our leaders found the wisdom and integrity to maintain such a value system. Neither does it mean that the Filipino people have found the understanding or courage to live peacefully and productively under democratic conditions.

People Power removed the dictatorship of Ferdinand Marcos. That meant that the Filipino could begin the journey to democracy. Most obviously, this journey is reflected in the exercise of the freedom of speech with a media that could often abuse it. But the insistence of free speech even with it being open to abuse prepared Philippine society for the explosion of the Internet where the exercise of free speech is even more uncontrollable.

Democracy, however, is not about the freedom of speech. It is in its very core about a justice system that is, simply put, fair and equitable to all. From an environment where equality, liberty and fraternity are enshrined, democracy can find nourishment and growth. Outside of that environment, we have a shadow of democracy, or merely its illusion. That is why Ferdinand Marcos found it easy to declare martial law and get the military to meekly follow him – then actually enjoy being above most everybody else as the implementer of a dictatorship.

The cultural history of Filipinos point to the datu system which was not different from the central control of authority. But the datu system that was largely tribal in scope, or from clusters of tribes, did not bring to modern times any significant evidence of oppression by the authority figures against their own people. On the other hand, there is much evidence that justice was applied, that order was established, and that power was more paternal than despotic. Under any system of governance, the ethics or morality of the leaders are more crucial than the form through which the law is rolled out.

Filipinos do not need a sophisticated legal system. Our society will thrive with a basic understanding of right and wrong, the same understanding that we ask our children to understand, but applied firmly and consistently. It is not the Supreme Court that determines justice but the symbol of its fiercest advocate and defender. The Supreme Court cannot be just the interpreter of the letter of the law; it must embody the very spirit that enables justice to be the foundation of the law.

A whole people, almost 100 million of us, have agreed to be governed by the Constitution. Yet, only a small percentage has read or understood the Constitution. It is not the intellectual grasp of the Constitution that makes people subordinate themselves to it. Rather, it is the hope that their understanding of right and wrong will find affirmation and protection in the Constitution, it is the hope that those who govern them and implement the law will be faithful to the spirit of the law because those in the different branches of government are men and women of honor.

Ours is not a crisis of skill. Ours is a crisis of spirit. Fairness is not in the letter, it is in the essence which gives life to letters. Justice is not in the law, it is in the courage to ensure that the spirit of the law permeates in society and the dynamics of societal relationships.

When massive poverty has been allowed to define the lives of Filipinos, when corruption has been allowed to define governance for decades, there is no democracy. Worse, there is no justice. That a Mike and Gloria Arroyo, suspected by many or most of being thieves of the highest order, can be given the freedom to travel beyond the short arms of our laws, that is not surprising. On the other hand, it is par for the course.

In a place and time when change is the primordial angst of a people so long kept in darkness from truth and equality, what is par for the course is the very evil that must be dismantled. Weak and weary, Filipinos do not wish to rise in rage and force a bloody catharsis to be the process in order to bring about an environment where justice is the foundation of life and the guarantor of society's well-being.

There are few options left to Filipinos, options within life's preferred framework of an active peace, of welcoming opportunities for a bright future, of governance of the people, by the people, for the people. The principles of democracy are people-based more than they are leader-based. Difficult as that may be, disappointing as that may be, it is the truth that confronts us. P-Noy is right, in a democracy, we are the boss.

Truth, justice, even prosperity, they are then up to us. When people take their destiny into their own hands, that is not revolution, that is democracy. Let us find the way.


^^ Hope you'll be enlightened somehow :)

^hahaha... josemamontelibano... a certified critic of gloria arroyo... and number 1 supporter of the Aquinos... enlighten? lol! tsk! tsk!

Quote from: judE_Law on November 20, 2011, 06:31:09 PM
^hahaha... josemamontelibano... number 1 critic of gloria arroyo... and number 1 supporter of the Aquinos... enlighten? lol! tsk! tsk!

mmm... I read it carefully and I didn't see any hint of bias. Oh well, Michelangelo was right, the pen cannot draw the real intent.

Quote from: pong on November 20, 2011, 06:35:08 PM

Quote from: judE_Law on November 20, 2011, 06:31:09 PM
^hahaha... josemamontelibano... number 1 critic of gloria arroyo... and number 1 supporter of the Aquinos... enlighten? lol! tsk! tsk!

mmm... I read it carefully and I didn't see any hint of bias. Oh well, Michelangelo was right, the pen cannot draw the real intent.

well... i've read a lot of his article before.. yun lang. ;)

^ siguro nga. This will be his first article in Inquirer that I am reading. I'm more of CDQ kaya lang he sounds prejudicial as well. Manila newspapers are tiring to read anyway, lalo na yung mga tabloid na 6 pages showbiz news at 2 pages national issues, the rest: crossword, horoscope, hula hula, confessions, etc. Newspapers however puro kakonyohan ang palaman.

OT na yata ako hahaha

The Noynoy Aquino government is turning the Philippines into a vindictive society
November 20, 2011
By Ilda

There is a list of the alleged crimes of former Philippine President Gloria Arroyo (GMA) making its rounds on social networking sites like some kind of chain letter. The list comes with a photo of GMA in a wheelchair wearing her neck brace and facemask looking gaunt and distressed. The photo is obviously not a very flattering portrait of her. It is a far cry from her regal stance during her time in office as the head of state.


Since the list has become viral, it is safe to assume that some people take pride in passing on a photo of the sick and vulnerable just for fun. They seem to think that sharing the picture is amusing and more importantly, a sign of victory against corruption and a symbol of GMA's downfall. With the way some people are celebrating her arrest, you would think that the courts have already found GMA guilty. But in fact, the legal proceedings haven't even begun. The haste with which the arrest warrant was issued already tells us that the case is not a very solid one and not only that, proceedings will be done with the usual circus-like and operatic acts that always appeal to the gullible.

This tells us what kind of mentality some Filipinos have – malicious and vindictive. This despite most having a religious upbringing. Ironically, some people who pass on the said photo are the same people who you will see posting religious or feel good quotes on the said social networking sites. The veneer of "compassion" has been unmasked to reveal the hate in the heart of the "God-fearing" lot as a show of misguided patriotism.

This also tells us that there are a lot of Filipinos who do not have empathy. Empathy is defined as the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another being. They say that people may need to have a certain amount of empathy before they are able to feel compassion. It makes sense because a truly smart person would think twice about doing something to someone lest the same thing be done to him or her.

When images of a bloodied Muammar Gaddafi, the deposed Libyan dictator before he was shot to death made its rounds in the news, the whole world witnessed what a mob could do once they turn against their dear leader. One would think though that the Libyan temperament is different from the Filipino temperament on account of the "peaceful" Edsa revolution in 1986. In other words, one cannot imagine Filipinos treating their public officials in the barbaric way Gadaffi was treated by the Libyans.

However, with the recent chaotic scenes at the airport involving the anti-Arroyo group and GMA, it is obvious that some Filipinos are also capable of turning into a lynch mob once incited. And inciting more Filipinos into an angry pack is definitely the purpose of the list of GMA's supposedly "crimes" being passed around. Whoever came up with that list is a genius in mind manipulation. Whoever came up with that list knows that most Filipinos do not really bother to confirm if any of the "crimes" listed in the unofficial list have any basis or truth.

Like I said in the past, the enormous number of men and women charging ahead with President Noynoy Aquino without really understanding why they are doing so is enough indication of what the most likely outcome of this latest circus act will be. Unfortunately, the power of emotionally charged and enraged people moving in large numbers is greater than those who can think rationally and objectively. We all know that when emotion is involved, things always turn ugly.

Going back to the unofficial list of GMA's supposed "crimes", any rational being would see through the deception and propaganda involved in this attempt to further damage the reputation of the former President. The list is a long one and is designed for maximum shock value. It should be noted that the only reason the list is long is because many of the items are repetitive. One's initial reaction upon seeing the list, which goes up to 39 items would be to feel indignant. But some of the items just sound so ridiculous. One which says "200 plus other illegal midnight appointments" during her time in Malacanang does not really have any details or specifics of who they are and what post they got. Another item that is quite suspect says, "Denial of pork barrel funds to Malacanang's political enemies". To which one would be inclined to say, the onus is on the accuser to prove the accusation and once again, the list does not provide specifics.

What is most shocking in all this is how the average Filipino can fall for this kind of mind trick. You would think that when one considers the fact that the current administration has had a tough time filing charges against GMA and had only managed to file one – which is the electoral sabotage during the Senatorial election in 2007 – out of the long list after almost two years in office, Filipinos would apply a bit more healthy skepticism when regarding this list. But no, sirree. Most Filipinos still believe that GMA had all the time in the world to craft those under-the-table deals while still managing to get a lot of things done — the deployment of the troops during the Iraq war, avoiding the financial crisis that hit Europe and the US really hard, attending to international conventions, upgrading the country's infrastructure, and many other things.

In fact, much of the gains in the Philippine economy felt during the first year of the administration of Noynoy Aquino (not to mention the growth and resilience it was noted for before it) can only be attributed to GMA's management. This did not stop Aquino for taking credit for all that in a speech in Singapore before the Filipino community in March of 2011.

Something is really amiss with most Filipinos. It's as if their mentality is still stuck in the 18th Century — a time when witch hunting was in vogue. Even former Aquino ally and economist, Solita Collas-Monsod finds the series of events in the last few days "disturbing":

What I find disturbing, however, is the rush by the Comelec to file charges, particularly since it is supposed to be an independent constitutional body, not a Malacañang lackey. Consider the following timeline:

On Aug. 15, 2011, in a five-page joint order signed by De Lima and Comelec Chair Sixto Brillantes, the DOJ and the Comelec created the joint preliminary investigation committee and the joint fact-finding team regarding the allegations of electoral sabotage against Arroyo and others. I don't know what that order contained, but on the face of it, creating the two bodies at the same time must carry with it the assumption that the fact-finding team was going to find facts that would lead to a preliminary investigation.

On Oct. 21, 2011, according to De Lima, the fact-finding team was to have submitted their report, forwarding it to the joint preliminary investigation committee. I was unable to secure a copy of the fact-finding team's report, but from the news reports, it seemed to me that everything was hearsay, until Oct. 11, when former Maguindanao Gov. Andal Ampatuan Sr.'s chief aide, Norie Unas, revealed that he had overheard Arroyo ordering Ampatuan to deliver a 12-0 vote for the administration candidates in 2007. That was the only eyewitness account (and Ampatuan has just called Unas a liar and denied that the conversation took place).

On Nov. 14, or five days ago, the joint preliminary investigation committee completed its investigation.

On Nov. 16, per the Comelec chair, he received a copy of the report of the Comelec lawyers involved in the investigation, and its recommendations. Note: Only two days elapsed between the time of completion of the investigation and the recommendations.

On Nov. 17, the Comelec en banc voted to file charges against Arroyo, with two commissioners refusing to sign because they had not read the report.

Does that sound rushed or not?

Given that only one case has been charged out of the 39 "crimes" in the unofficial GMA list of crimes and that it is even turning out to be a bit "pilit", one cannot help but see all these activities perpetuated by the incumbent President, Noynoy Aquino and condoned by the majority of the Filipino people as nothing more than sad jokes.

http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/2011/11/the-noynoy-aquino-government-is-turning-the-philippines-into-a-vindictive-society

It is clearly shown that the bobonic President PNoy is taking credit for GMA's accomplishments while making the former president look like a bad person so PNoy will shine and appear to be like a hero or something..

Sadly, a lot of Pinoys are eating food in their bobonic plates kea kung anu-anong mga kabobohan ang laman ng utak nila.

not me!!!! go GIBO pa rin! hehe i hate PNOY

Makatarungan ba na harangin ng DOJ ang pag-alis ni CGMA ng bansa?
My answer is NO.

But with the question, sang ayon ka ba na magpagamot si CGMA sa ibang bansa?
My answer is also NO.

PNoy should focus on the Ampatuan's killing spree instead of the GMA's issues. Pero xempre, papogi points ung panot na un, so ke GMA siya. Kung ako magiging presidente eh ipapapublic execution ko ang buong clan ng mga Ampatuan. At ipapa-auction ko ung mga kagamitan at properties nila at gagamiten ang pera pra makapagpatayo ng mga schools at hospitals sa mga msusukal na lugar.

Dato Arroyo Speaks



Good afternoon.

The past few weeks have been extremely difficult for our family. Hindi lang po dahil sa walang-humpay na paninira sa aming ina o ang mga tila walang-katapusang kasong kanyang hinaharap, kundi dahil sa napakahirap sa amin na makita ang pisikal na paghihirap ng aming ina.
Na-diagnose po ang aking ina ng malubhang karamdaman sa cervical spine at umabot pa sa punto na napasailalim siya sa tatlong operasyon. Dahil sa pagbale-wala ng ilang mga opisyal sa kautusan ng Korte Suprema, natigil ang paglabas ng aming ina upang makapagkunsulta sana sa espesyalista tungkol sa natuklasang di-pangkaraniwang kalagayan ng metabolismo ng kanyang mga buto, at kalakip nito ang magkaroon sana ng kinauukulan na medical treatment.
Habang abala kami sa pagpapa-schedule ng mga appointment sa mga medikal na espesyalista sa ibang bansa, ang mga propagandista naman ng administrasyon ay mas lalong abala sa pag-imbento ng kung anu-anong anggulo tungkol sa tunay na intensyon ng kaniyang pagbiyahe. Sa pagpakita ng pamahalaang ito ng kanilang kakayahan na pahirapan at ipahiya ang aming ina doon sa NAIA, ipinakita rin ng ng administrasyon ang pagkawala ng tiwala nila sa sarili nilang kapasidad na i-monitor ang pagbalik ng aming ina sa bansa.
Allow me to state the obvious: We have no intention of seeking political asylum abroad. Ang aming buong pamilya, ang Pamilyang Arroyo, ay walang balak magtago at humingi ng political asylum sa ibang bansa. Maski pa ilang unverified text message ang pagbasehan ni Sec. De Lima.
Ang Dating Pangulo ay isang matapang na tao. Kung ginusto niya, nakaalis na sana siya at hindi na bumalik mula pa noong pagkababa niya sa puwesto, bago pa siya nasampahan ng mga katakot-takot na kaso na alam naman niya'y siguradong parating.
Ngunit wala po ito sa kaniyang pagkatao. Ang kanyang pagkatao ay ang klase na sumasabak at humaharap sa mga bagyo at kalamidad, at ang walang takot na gumawa ng mga desisyon na maaaring hindi magustuhan ng karamihan ngunit kailangan pa ring gawin para mai-angat ang bansa sa parating na krisis pinansyal.
Kalokohan po ang isipin na tatakasan nya ang kaniyang mga paglilitis. Ang katotohanan nga ay itinuturing niya itong pagkakataon na magpaliwanag sa husgado at linisin ang kanyang pangalan.
Mabait at mapagmalasakit po ang aming ina. Pinauwi niya po ang ating mga sundalo sa Iraq, maski alam niyang maaaring magalit sa atin ang US coalition, para lamang masagip ang buhay ni Angelo De La Cruz. Pinayagan niya ang Dating Pangulong Estrada na makalipad sa Hong Kong para sa operasyon ng kaniyang tuhod, at maski maraming ang tumututol, pinagbigyan pa nga ang kahilingan ni Dating-Pangulong Erap na mabigyan ng Presidential Pardon, lalo na't noong panahon na iyon lumalala ang kalagayan ng kaniyang ina na si Dona Mary.
Sa lahat ng ito, ang aming buong pamilya—mula sa aking ina, at ang masakit pa doon, hanggang sa mga anak at pamangkin ko na mga bata pa lamang—ay nakaranas ng pangungutya at galit mula sa publiko. Pinili naming manahimik. Madalas ipinapaalala ng aming ina na ang kanyang economic achievements para sa ating bayan, lalo na ang 38 quarters ng patuloy na paglago ng ekonomiya ay mas mahalaga sa paghanga ng madla; at ang buhay ay laging nangingibabaw sa pulitika.
Ngunit ngayon, bilang isang anak na nakikitang naghihirap ang kaniyang ina, hinihingi ko po sa inyong lahat: Ipagdasal natin siya. Ipagdasal natin na tratuhin siya ng patas at kasama ang presumption of innocence na nakasaad sa ating Saligang Batas. Isantabi ang pulitika at bigyan nating halaga ang mga proseso ng ating mga demokratikong institusyon.
Maraming Salamat Po.

(Delivered 4PM, St Luke's Medical Center, Taguig)

http://1rgcruz.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/dato-arroyo-speaks/

HERE IT IS, a summary of the oral arguments regarding the TRO... please read on!

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SUPREME COURT ON DELIMA DURING ORAL ARGUMENTS ON THE LEGALITY OF THE TRAVEL BAN DE LIMA ISSUED AGAINST ARROYO LAST MONTH:


New York USA Dec 2--WORLD NEWS: IN SHORT, THE MEANING OF WHAT THE PHILIPPINE JUSTICES TELL NONOY AQUINO'S CHIEF LAW ENFORCER LEILA DE LIMA , " YOU ARE NOT THE LAW NOR POWERFUL THAN THE LAW, WE ARE NOT A COMMUNIST STATE". DOJ Secretary de Lima was toasted and came under tough questioning from the JUSTICES OF THE PHILIPPINE SUPREME COURT, with one of the JUSTICES accusing her of acting "like you are more powerful than the court.". Associate Justice Teresita Leonardo-De Castro said, "The way you interpret the law shows that you are more powerful than the court."

De Lima replied that the Department of Justice (DOJ) Circular No. 41 should be deemed "constitutional as it is constitutional." De Lima added, "The infringement of an individual's right to travel is justified under the general principle of the exercise of the (state's) police power,". De Lima even asserted an "inherent power" of the government as embodied in Executive Order No. 292, or the Administrative Code of 1987. De Lima denied insinuations that she had arbitrarily or abused her authority to have placed ex-prez Arroyo and her husband, Jose Miguel "Mike" Arroyo, in the immigration bureau's watch list.

LIKE ORDERING A WELL-DONE STEAK, JUSTICE DE CASTRO TELLS DE LIMA

JUSTICE De Castro pointed out that EO 292 did not explicitly give the DOJ the power to restrict a private citizen's right to travel to protect the interest of the state. JUSTICE De Castro said De Lima did not even mention a single "law" enacted by Congress which allowed the DOJ to "impair" or "Stop" the individual rights through the exercise of the state's police power. JUSTICE De Castro said,
"If you look at all the decisions of the court involving the exercise of police power, there is always a state interest involved. That is where the balancing interest would come in," De Castro continues roasting De Lima, "Tell us what law grants the DOJ to impair a private citizen's right in order to serve public interest ? " she firmly asked the De Lima and De Lima lamented, There is no law which expressly gives the DOJ [the authority] to impair one's rights. We don't need a law to do that because what we are invoking is the state's inherent police power."

JUSTICE DE CASTRO PUT THE FIRE UP ON DE LIMA

JUSTICE DE CASTRO IMMEDIATELY said, "although the state had police power, there should be a law prescribing the guidelines on how such authority should be implemented by the government so as not to violate the rights of the citizens. In view of that authority granted to you by law, you can deny anyone a right which is guaranteed under the Constitution,". THEN JUSTICE De Castro threw the quiz to De Lima, "what is your authority to issue watch-list and hold-departure orders even without giving the concerned individuals a chance to defend themselves."

THE MESSAGE OF JUSTICE DE CASTRO IS NO ONE IS "ABOVE THE LAW," PHILIPPINES IS NOT A COMMUNIST STATE BUT "DEMOCRACY" UNDER THE "RULE OF LAW"

"In other words, you are more powerful than the court because the court can only issue an HDO (hold-departure order) only after the filing of the information and the issuance of an arrest warrant," JUSTICE De Castro told Justice Secretary De Lima. JUSTICE De Castro pressed, "Here, it is completely within your discretion to go over the complaint even without hearing the other side. The way you interpret the law shows that you are more powerful than the court," JUSTICE De Castro told De Lima.

DE LIMA SAID ARROYO IS FLIGHT RISKS BUT THE MEANING OF JUSTICE DE CASTRO'S MESSAGE TO DE LIMA IS: SAID WHO ? "FROM AN UNKNOWN TEXTER" AND DE LIMA'S PUBLIC REPLY PUBLISHED BY "THE DAILY TRIBUNE" QUOTING DE LIMA, " SO WHAT IF MY SOURCE IS "MERE" UNKNOWN TEXTER OR GOSSIP"

Defending her position, De Lima said she was only being careful not to be blamed should Arroyo fail to return to the Philippines and stays abroad. De Lima reiterated that since ex-prez Arroyo was charged with a nonbailable offense, the DOJ considered her a "real flight risk."

JUSTICE De Castro rebuffed De Lima, "there was no reason for you to be worried since the high court had already issued a temporary restraining order (TRO), which momentarily invalidated DOJ's watch-list order. It's not accurate to say that you will be blamed because the court has already assumed that responsibility by issuing the TRO and yet you went on,".

JUSTICE DE CASTRO DIRECTED DE LIMA

JUSTICE De Castro then directed the De Lima to submit copies of the watch-list orders WLO issued during the Arroyo administration which De Lima revoked when she assumed office in 2010.

ANOTHER SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FRIED DE LIMA ON "RULE OF LAW" AND "PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE" BECAUSE PHILIPPINES IS A DEMOCRACY NOT A COMMUNIST STATE

Associate Justice Roberto Abad questioned De Lima's impartiality in handling the criminal complaint against ex-prez Arroyo, pointing out that the decision to stop the former President Arroyo from traveling "set aside the presumption of innocence." COMING FROM THE RULE OF LAW, JUSTICE Abad questioned De Lima, "Did the former President enjoy the PRESUMPTION OF INNONCENCE ?
Have you been treating her [MRS. ARROYO] as if she's innocent? " Abad quizzed De Lima.

De Lima answered: "Definitely, your Honor. There's a presumption of innocence here. But the presumption of innocence here is not to establish the guilt or innocence of the accused. It is to establish "probable cause" and it doesn't mean that he or she would have the full enjoyment of his or her rights."

JUSTICE Abad immediately told De Lima, "you're reluctant to say that the former President is innocent."

ANOTHER JUSTICE COOKED DE LIMA ON "BILL OF RIGHTS" AND "RULE OF LAW"

Associate Justice Arturo Brion questioned De Lima of her understanding of the Bill of Rights and the legal principle of the RULE OF LAW. JUSTICE Brion quizzed De Lima, "do you fully, properly and correctly understand the Constitution and the laws ? To properly execute the laws, the executive branch must, in the first place, understand the Constitution and the laws and when you say properly execute, to properly follow the rule of law,"."If the Department of Justice or the justice secretary does not understand the Constitution or the laws, then it is possible that the executive department will be misguided in observing the rule of law," JUSTICE Abad told De Lima.

The Supreme Court has not indicated when it will issue a ruling. www.radiopinoyusa.com 24/7
(via Lino Celle)

Cold Neutrality of Judges

By: Fr. Joaquin G. Bernas S. J.
Philippine Daily Inquirer
Monday, November 28th, 2011


The ideal virtue that is desired of a court, whether it is a single-judge court or a collegial body, is "the cold neutrality of an impartial judge."  This, of course, is a consummation devoutly wished but not always attained.
An interesting phenomenon to watch is an oral argument in the Supreme Court. Those expected to argue are the lawyers of the opposing parties. The justices are expected to be neutral observers, more or less. Sometimes it is more and sometimes it is less. You can tell from the questions of the justices to whom their minds belong.
Sometimes you can also tell the leaning of the justices from their vote even on preliminary matters. Take the vote on whether to remand the issue of the validity of the joint Commission on Elections-Department of Justice panel. A preliminary question was whether to remand the preliminary matter to the redoubtable Judge Jesus Mupas or to keep it in the Supreme Court. Remanding the case to a one-judge court can make a big difference. You can get speedier action from a one-judge court than from a collegiate court. In a one-judge court you only have to "convince" one judge, whereas in a collegiate court you have to work harder to "convince" more judges who might have the backing of invisible forces.
Also part of the judicial system is the prosecutorial power of the executive arm of government.  The executive arm also has to show fairness. And determination, of course. And, ah, yes, speed. As one admiral is reported to have commanded his men during a naval battle, "Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes."
But how to handle the torpedoes in litigation?  In an effort to balance things and to do away with criminal impunity, the temptation to appeal to a thousand past wrongs as justification for looking at present wrongs as remedially right can be blinding. Can an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth save the nation? She did it to 5,000; let's do it to her! Is this higher law?
Indeed, what we often see—confirmed again and again—is that, in an imperfect world, we do not always have perfect justice. We work to achieve the ideal. But in the end, we just have to wait for the Last Judgment when the sheep will finally and fairly be separated from the goats.
The central issue. To my mind one central issue in the ongoing litigation is whether the executive department, independently of court orders, can curtail a citizen's right to travel. This issue in turn depends so much on the meaning of the tricky phrase "as may be provided by law."
The Bill of Rights says "Neither shall the right to travel be impaired except in the interest of national security, public safety, or public health, as may be provided by law." Is the phrase "as may be provided by law" limitive or expansive? In other words, should the provision of law authorizing impairment always be related to "national security, public safety, or public health," or does the phrase mean that Congress is free to provide grounds for impairment in addition to national security, public safety, or public health? If it is the latter meaning, the phrase added by the 1986 Constitutional Commission should have been "or as may be provided by law."
On the other hand, if the meaning of the phrase is limitive, that is, any restrictive provision of law must be related to national security, public safety, or public health, how closely must the law be related to these three? A case in point is the current justification of hold-departure orders (HDOs) and watch-list orders (WLOs). DOJ Circular 41 purports to base it on a provision of the Administrative Code which authorizes the Department of Justice to "investigate the commission of crimes, prosecute offenders, and provide immigration regulatory services . . . to institute measures to prevent any miscarriage of justice, without, however, sacrificing the individual's right to travel." If this broad prosecutorial and investigatory power of the DOJ can authorize restriction on the constitutional right to travel, can it also justify restriction on other constitutional rights—e.g., the rights of the accused found in Section 14 of the same Bill of Rights?
Conceivably, the DOJ restriction on GMA (Arroyo) is being imposed on the argument that she is a flight risk and can therefore frustrate investigation and prosecution and that therefore, to that extent, her escape from investigation and prosecution can be a threat to "public safety." Voila, the Constitution is satisfied! Should the Supreme Court buy that argument?
And what about her health condition?  To my mind the argument based on the state of her health is a distraction or a decoy. (Incidentally, a fellow Jesuit who had a similar surgery in St. Luke's in the same week as GMA is back in his post in Naga but with a neck brace.) The fact alone that her condition might not be life threatening is not sufficient to justify denial of the right to travel. The denial must be based on something else and not on the lack of humanitarian basis. We are waiting for the Court to sort out the arguments.
Speaking of speed. This week the Maguindanao massacre of two years ago was recalled. The clamor, especially coming from relatives of victims,  is for speedier justice. The prosecution is encountering torpedoes all around. What can the admiral do? Will the supersonic speed and the triple determination in the GMA prosecution be applied to the Maguindanao massacre? If this is what the Palace rhetoric means, it is a welcome development. Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!

Makatarungan ba na harangin ng DOJ ang pag-alis ni CGMA ng bansa?


super super makatarungan siya  ;D