What's your take on this?

[Mr.Yos0]

Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

in tagalog:

Leviticus 18:22
Huwag kang sisiping sa lalake ng gaya sa babae: karumaldumal nga.

Leviticus 20:13
At kung ang isang lalake ay sumiping sa kapuwa lalake, na gaya ng pagsiping sa babae: ay kapuwa sila nagkasala ng karumaldumal: sila’y papatayin na walang pagsala: mabububo ang kanilang dugo sa kanila.

1Corinth 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,


Eh di ibig sabihin ang mga bading na sumiping sa kapwa lalaki ay hindi maililigtas?

What's your take on this?

[Mr.Yos0]

^ then how do we interpret it?..


nakita ko lang kasi iyan sa PEx Forum.. Import ko lang.. 

[Mr.Yos0]

good. well said. lets wait for more opinions.. habang maghahanap ng topic.. 

[pinoybrusko]

it is clear that the actions done are being judged and not the sexual preference. This applies to all for men, women, gays or lesbians. From what I understand, this applies to all who are already married and then keep on sleeping with others. If you're marriage is bonded by the church, sleeping with your wife is not a sin, right? 

[judE_Law]

Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

in tagalog:

Leviticus 18:22
Huwag kang sisiping sa lalake ng gaya sa babae: karumaldumal nga.

Leviticus 20:13
At kung ang isang lalake ay sumiping sa kapuwa lalake, na gaya ng pagsiping sa babae: ay kapuwa sila nagkasala ng karumaldumal: sila'y papatayin na walang pagsala: mabububo ang kanilang dugo sa kanila.

1Corinth 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,


Eh di ibig sabihin ang mga bading na sumiping sa kapwa lalaki ay hindi maililigtas?

What's your take on this?

wala akong nabasa na 'it applies only to married people' yung sala pagsiping sa kapwa lalake.
given the fact na alam nating mali talagang sumiping sa ibang babae kapag ika'y kasal o may asawa na.

[pinoybrusko]

Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

in tagalog:

Leviticus 18:22
Huwag kang sisiping sa lalake ng gaya sa babae: karumaldumal nga.

Leviticus 20:13
At kung ang isang lalake ay sumiping sa kapuwa lalake, na gaya ng pagsiping sa babae: ay kapuwa sila nagkasala ng karumaldumal: sila'y papatayin na walang pagsala: mabububo ang kanilang dugo sa kanila.

1Corinth 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,


Eh di ibig sabihin ang mga bading na sumiping sa kapwa lalaki ay hindi maililigtas?

What's your take on this?

wala akong nabasa na 'it applies only to married people' yung sala pagsiping sa kapwa lalake.
given the fact na alam nating mali talagang sumiping sa ibang babae kapag ika'y kasal o may asawa na.

pagsiping sa hinde kasal (single na babae at lalake) ay kasalanan sa Diyos pero hinde kasalanan sa batas ng tao dahil wala namang batas ukol dito. mas lalo na pag parehong babae o parehong lalake mgkasiping 

pagsiping sa ibang tao na may asawa ay kasalanan sa Diyos at kasalanan sa batas ng tao

[maykel]

Leviticus 20:13:
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

in tagalog:

Leviticus 18:22
Huwag kang sisiping sa lalake ng gaya sa babae: karumaldumal nga.

Leviticus 20:13
At kung ang isang lalake ay sumiping sa kapuwa lalake, na gaya ng pagsiping sa babae: ay kapuwa sila nagkasala ng karumaldumal: sila'y papatayin na walang pagsala: mabububo ang kanilang dugo sa kanila.

1Corinth 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,


Eh di ibig sabihin ang mga bading na sumiping sa kapwa lalaki ay hindi maililigtas?

What's your take on this?

That is why there is mercy. undeserve favor.
Maraming factor kung bakit hindi masasave ang mga tao when the judgement day comes.
And the only way a person to be save is to accept Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

[pinoybrusko]

enjoy life to the fullest as long as wala kang tinatapakan o sinasaktan o inaagrabiyadong tao. Isa lang ang gusto ko ang mabuhay ng masaya 

[joshgroban]

God in His infinite goodness desires from the beginning of creation... man and woman....since my opinion was asked by this thread....at dahil sa bible mo rin hinugot ang mga basehan na yan....i think its hard to argue when we read those words....medyo may condemnation if you belong to the 3rd sex pero thats the normal thing and the standards set by God himself....hindi naman sinabing di mahal ng Diyos ang mga nasa 3rd sex its just that thats not the way it supposed to be.... ang kagandahan kasi whatever sin weve done ...its already paid for...we just have to repent and claim the righteousness that God offers.... again and again not one of us is a judge....so none of us can point a finger to one another ...all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God....in one way or the other...just have a pure love.....and i believe well find our way tyo a peaceful life and blessing

[ctan]

Ang sa akin dito, just read the book of ROMANS chapter 1. :-)

[carpediem]

Sort of related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PyoUPcobA

3:52 is where it starts getting interesting.

[talakitok88]

...Eh di ibig sabihin ang mga bading na sumiping sa kapwa lalaki ay hindi maililigtas?

What's your take on this?

oo

[joshgroban]

Sort of related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PyoUPcobA

3:52 is where it starts getting interesting.

i dont take sides here kasi pareho naman silang sarado.... grabe...mag away ba ng live sa national tv.... mwahahahaha parang movie lang....both of them dont understand what the love of God means.... whew napagod ako manood

[pinoybrusko]

based sa book of Romans chapter 1, if you don't have faith in God, you commit many sins, you will be punished
according to your intentions and actions. That is given I think.

but what if you believe and have faith in God and you do good things to others and what you do is love a person of the same sex which you shared on bed. Yung may love. Are you still going to be punished? There are couples of the same sex living a normal life na parang boy-girl couple din kulang lang ang kasal at blessing ng Church.

[judE_Law]

based sa book of Romans chapter 1, if you don't have faith in God, you commit many sins, you will be punished
according to your intentions and actions. That is given I think.

but what if you believe and have faith in God and you do good things to others and what you do is love a person of the same sex which you shared on bed. Yung may love. Are you still going to be punished? There are couples of the same sex living a normal life na parang boy-girl couple din kulang lang ang kasal at blessing ng Church.

nothing personal here Brusk.. saw this in the Net, and i decided to post it.. medyo mahaba, pero worth reading...  just to answer your questions..

How Can Love Be Wrong?

That's the question many people ask when they hear Christians raise objections to same sex marriage. The question is often grounded in the experience or observation of genuine loving unions between people of the same sex. How can relationships that seem so good, so life-giving, be wrong?

Answering that question requires that we step back a bit and, by way of background, challenge some of the more prevalent arguments for same sex marriage promoted in both the media and, sadly, by some ordained church leaders.

Here are three of those arguments:

1. Science has demonstrated that some people experience homosexual desires that are linked to biological/genetic factors. Since these desires are natural they must originate with God.

2. The bible condemns manipulative and abusive same sex relationships. It does not address monogamous, loving, same sex relationships

3. God is love and all love is from God...so if two people love each other why would the church stand in the way of it?

Let's deal with these arguments in order:

It may well be, though the evidence is inconclusive, that some people are naturally drawn to others of the same sex through some biological/genetic factor. But that we may be born with an orientation toward a certain behavior does not mean that "God made us that way". People are born with orientations toward all kinds of behaviors—alcoholism, pedophilia, and, of course, heterosexual promiscuity to name just a few. Many behaviors have been argued to have some biological or genetic basis but we would not want to "bless" all of them.

The truth is, human beings are "fallen" by nature. (You might want to read through Romans 1:18-33; Romans 3:10-18 and Eph 2:1-3 at this point). That means that we are not who God originally created us to be. We are all born with an "orientation" away from God and toward the self. The way that orientation plays out is different for everyone. We should not be surprised that some are born with biological/genetic predispositions to all kinds of behaviors that are not healthy or right. The average human male is, by nature, oriented toward heterosexual promiscuity. Does that natural orientation mean that promiscuity is God's will? Should men sleep with whoever they want whenever they want because they were "born that way"?

No. The whole point of the Christian gospel is that though we are fallen and enslaved by sinful orientations, God in Jesus Christ has come to give us new life and to redeem us—not only to die in our place to pay the consequences for our sins but also to give us his own Holy Spirit to break free from the bondage to sin. Anyone who turns over his or her life to Christ is given God's own power to escape the bondage of sexual sin or alcoholism or any other enslaving orientation or addiction.

The question then becomes: is homosexual behavior something people must turn from and ask God to heal or is it something that God wants to bless?

The answer to that question, Christians believe, is to be found in the bible. Here are some of the texts that address homosexuality directly:

Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

Romans 1:24-27 (As a result of the disobedience of humanity) "Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

1 Corinthians 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality."

There are others, but the above texts are most clear.

But it is here that assumption 2 (above) comes into play. Some suggest that long term loving homosexual relationships are not addressed in scripture; that the bible writers knew nothing of them. Even a cursory glance at ancient Greco/Roman culture and literature will demonstrate that homosexual behavior and homosexual relationships, loving and otherwise, were commonplace. If Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles who wrote the clearest New Testament condemnations of homosexual behavior, knew nothing of them he would've had to be culturally obtuse.

But the extent to which Paul or the other human authors of the bible were familiar with various cultural manifestations of homosexuality is, in the end, irrelevant. What they write is clear and unambiguous. There is no distinction in scripture between "life-long loving unions" and abusive one-night stands. Homosexual behavior is condemned without regard to relational context or cultural setting. The physical act itself and the impulse that leads up to it is unequivocally condemned. Any attempt, therefore, to distinguish between types of homosexual relationships and argue that sex acts between two people of the same sex is good in one context and sinful in another is grounded in a fundamental misreading of the text which makes no such distinctions.

A hallmark of good reading (not just the bible but any book) is not to read into a text something that is not there. Good readers ground their interpretations in what the author himself has communicated. Those who seek to limit the biblical injunctions against homosexual behavior to pederasty, prostitution, and/or promiscuity impose a narrowness text that simply is not there.

So far we have seen that not all inborn desires and impulses are good and we have seen that scripture defines the homosexual impulse in particular as one that is linked to our fallen nature. It is not a good thing to be blessed but an enslavement that must be forgiven and healed.

Thankfully, we serve a God who loves sinners, who came to us himself in Jesus of Nazareth to live a life of obedience on our behalf and to die a sacrificial death to suffer the penalty for our sins. That means that there is no sin, no matter how horrific, that cannot be forgiven and no sinner who cannot be justified and redeemed. But first we must see ourselves as God sees us. We must recognize our own deep and desperate sinfulness, despair of ourselves, and surrender wholly and fully to Jesus Christ, trusting in his work instead of our own, his death in our place, and the power of his Resurrection to break the chains of sin and death in our lives.

This leads us to the final assumption (3 above). God is, indeed, "love" (1st John 4:8.). But divine love is not a "feeling" or "experience" but God's sacrificial decision to do good for another forever. This love, (called "agape" in the New Testament), defines the relationship that has always existed between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is out of this love that God created the cosmos and made human beings to enjoy fellowship with him forever. God set us in various communities—our families, friends, neighbors, churches, towns, cities, and nation—and to reflect and reveal his agape love to others.

Agape is a different sort of love than romantic/erotic love. In our culture we often define love by a feeling we have for another person rather than a decision to sacrifice ourselves for them. This is not to say that romantic/erotic love is not good. It is. God created romantic love too. But because we are fallen creatures our desires often carry us in the wrong direction. "Love" itself is good. But like any good thing it can be misdirected. Water gives life to all things on earth. But water misdirected, water that overflows the riverbank or breaks through the dike is deadly. The same is true for love. As the scriptures above make clear, erotic/romantic love between two people of the same sex is a love that is misdirected. God gave human beings erotic/romantic love to be enjoyed in the context of marriage between a man and a woman. He did that both for the purpose of carrying on the human race and to bind husband and wife together as one flesh in such a way that their union would be a living sermon—a picture of the love between Christ and his Church.

So while we cannot doubt the evident depth and sincerity of romantic/erotic love between two people of the same sex, we can and should recognize that if followed and indulged it drives people further away from the healing love of Jesus Christ and further into the darkness and slavery of sin. That is why the church, when confronting the cultural push toward homosexual license, must at all times and in all places uphold and proclaim the twofold truth that sexual acts between two people of the same sex is sin and that God loves sinners and sent his Son to save them.